Sunday, June 30, 2024

Vietnamese Ha Giang black tea and Tua Chua sheng

 



This is kind of an unusual tasting theme; Steve from Viet Sun sent some extra samples with my last order and wrote sheng instead of black tea on the Ha Giang version, so I'm comparison tasting across tea types.  I can taste two completely different teas together; it still works.

It can be interesting tasting contrasting teas, to see how it goes, and this makes more sense than it seems in retrospect, related to these teas' styles.  A flavor description or two will drop out doing that, for trying to cover diverse tasting range, and there is no comparison baseline for finer effects, eg. noticing that one has a thicker feel or more aftertaste expression.


Hà Giang Black Spring 2024  ($20 for 100 grams)


This tea was produced from old and ancient trees growing at 1200-1300m in elevation in the Cao Bồ commune area of Hà Giang.

Cao Bồ is about an hour and a half drive from Hà Giang city.

This is a tippy tea harvested with a 1 bud-1-2 leaves standard so you can expect a highly fragrant brew. 

A cocoa and warming spice, honey fragrance emerges after the first rinse. Complex warming spice, honey, malty cocoa flavor with nice minerality. Rich mouthfeel and lingering sweetness in the throat. Nice clear headed and energizing qi effect with a rich, lingering effect in the mouth and throat.


Tủa Chùa Spring 2024  ($53 for 190 gram cake)


A tea from the most sought after gardens in the most sought after tea area in Vietnam, Tủa Chùa in Điện Biên province. This area can be difficult to source tea from due to the high local and international demand but we were lucky enough to get a bit.

This area has some of the biggest tea trees in Vietnam and many are allowed to grow tall. This area is close to Laos and has a different climate than many other tea areas in Vietnam giving teas from here a unique profile. The weather here in spring is typically hot, dry and sunny and this year especially so. It only rained for a couple of days during March and April and the tea output was reduced drastically compared to previous years. This dry weather resulted in a drop in the amount of harvestable leaves but an increase in strength.

This area is known for its signature orchid/ citrus flower fragrance with a citrus, deep forest almost tobacco range of flavor. This tea brews up quickly into a rich golden brew. This tea is very high intensity in every aspect. Medium bitterness and astringency with heavy sweetness. Expect a strong qi and a rich floral huigan that will start to build after a few cups.


Steve had mentioned that tea from this area was especially well-regarded, as this mentions.


Review:




Ha Giang black tea:  flavor includes plenty of cacao initially; that's nice.  It seems there are significant fruit tones too, which will probably develop further, or I suppose could transition away as other aspects enter in.  This early I can't compare it from memory to the other I recently reviewed.  For once I really have used a lower proportion to make getting through 5 or 6 rounds possible (5 or 6 grams instead of 9, maybe); I'll need to brew both for a bit longer next round to compensate, for 20 seconds or more instead of 10 to 15.


Tua Chua:  this does express a good bit of floral range right away.  Another part reminds me of melon.  Bitterness has yet to get started; the whole effect should shift by next round, as intensity really ramps up.




Ha Giang black 2:  malt picked up quite a bit.  I often make a distinction between the dryer, mineral intensive malt found in Assam and the typically sweeter, milder, richer malt tone in malted milk balls, or in some Chinese teas.  This includes both.  Cacao is also pronounced, and an underlying fruit tone comes across, harder to identify now for malt standing out more.  Feel structure is full but not at all rough or challenging.  Aftertaste experience enters in after you swallow.  

For someone seeking out a complex, rich, and mellow black tea this is perfect, a little milder in tone than the 2023 Lao Cai I've been drinking.  Per my personal preference the 2024 Lao Cai is just amazing; it has a bit more astringency edge but complexity and intensity really stand out.  For anyone really into black teas the final choice might be clear enough; buy both.  100 grams isn't that much, so it might be back to decision mode about which to buy 250 grams of instead.


Tua Chua:  really intense floral range enters in; this is perfume-like.  No need to worry about it being too subtle, having problems with intensity standing out in comparison with a flavorful black tea.  For anyone into isolating and describing floral range I'm sure this flavor profile would make for a list, for 3 or more individual aspects.  For me it will have to stand at "complex and intense floral range."

Feel is relatively soft and full, and bitterness is present but limited.  This has good intensity but not that sheng edge, the challenging forms of those.  It is one of the most floral intensive tea experiences I've ever had though, for sure.




Ha Giang #3:  not transitioning so much.  The fruit seems to be emerging more, along the line of dried dark cherry.  It's also a little like the bael fruit tisane that's popular in Thailand, which would be familiar to less people.  Feel structure is still rich and full, but lacking much of an astringency edge.  To me that's as good a thing as it is neutral, but I suppose for drinking this with some foods it could come across a little light.  Cacao is still nice in this, like a bit of dark chocolate edge.


Tua Chua:  intense floral range, again.  Bitterness expression picks up brewing this a little stronger, lending it more of an expected balance for sheng experience.  It's on the opposite side of average bitterness, very light.  For someone who isn't a sheng drinker that would probably still seem moderate, in comparison with oolongs typically including essentially none of that, but in comparison with most young sheng it's hardly there at all.  

This would surely be a great place for people not yet fully adapted to sheng to get started.  The rest of the range would never seem all that sweet or floral in comparison, so it might relate to setting a problematic form of baseline, but it's definitely approachable.  I was going to say all this related to another Vietnamese sheng I've been drinking, but I'll return to that theme in another post.



Ha Giang 4:  for all the more these are transitioning I think I'll end note taking here.  Warm tones pick up.  It's divided between a warm mineral range and other scope that could be harder to place, like a faint edge of coffee, or slight roast input.  It's odd that held off until round 4 to show up.  I brewed this a little long; it seems likely that pushing this tea would change the effect and aspect character, as just happened.  Later round infusions can be different for the earlier flavors dropping out, and a different set entering as you brew teas longer; I suppose that's part of what it is.  

It's no less pleasant, just different.  Brewed stronger to draw out more of that this might work better with food, standing up to a rich breakfast food like a chocolate croissant.


Tua Chua:  sweet, rich, complex, and very floral, kind of the same.  That floral range is so broad that it could be seeming to be extended by tones that are actually fruity instead.  It might taste a little like dried longan.  A warm depth to this also adds to the experience of complexity, rich flavor like a butter cookie.  

I suppose for match to preference it's down to how much one appreciates that range, and relates to the lack of bitterness and astringency edge, here replaced by a depth and fullness.  People more into oolong might love this more than many sheng drinkers, who can actually like that intense bitterness that can define a tea experience positively, in some cases, for some people.  I like softer and flavorful teas, even though through an extensive degree of acclimation I can appreciate a broad range of sheng.  

Sometimes I'll even crave drinking some 10 or 12 year old Xiaguan tuo tea, a full 15 years before it's relatively age-transitioned, and ready to drink per a more conventional preference, which can be a little rough.  That aging transition speed is only true for storage in very hot and humid conditions; in more moderate input storage 30 years would be more appropriate for that general style.


Both of these teas were very nice.  It's kind of nice drinking teas that I really like without being blown away or challenged by placing them.  These are what they are; rich, sweet, complex, and not edgy or challenging at all.  There are no flaws to unpack, and not all that much for limitations, beyond aspects that aren't present, normal astringency range for both types.  

Both brewed a few more really nice rounds, even though I was pushing the leaf harder than usual using longer timing to compensate for a lower proportion.  Neither expressed any remotely negative aspect range through the whole transition cycle.  They're solid.




A family photo sending off a visiting aunt at the airport.  I hate airports and goodbyes, but it's a nice picture of everyone.


Xinyang Maojian and Himjian; exceptional quality green teas


Maojian left, in all photos


I'm trying two green teas sent for review by a somewhat local online vendor, a Thai business owner living in China now. 

It can be odd trying green teas since they're my least favorite category. I can appreciate good Longjing, and sometimes buy fishhook style Vietnamese Thai Nguyen green tea if I see it.  I can tell if Japanese green teas are good from trying enough but the general style doesn't match my preference, so I would never buy sencha or gyokuro. 

To spoil the outcome these were surprisingly good, among the best quality green teas that I've ever tried. One might suspect that most of the best versions in styles beyond the few we know of in "the West" are only known of and drank in China, and when less known types make it out the quality is moderate.  I had a related experience with Qimen (black tea) not so long ago, trying a range one would typically never encounter. 

These citations of Instagram listings work as one reference, and local Thai online sales on Shoppee (like Amazon) are here and here. 




Xinyang Wild Tea, floral fragrance, high mountain, organic, premium, ancient tea tree

490 baht for 50 grams, a bit under $15



Gaoshanxin Yang Maojian Tea (Grade 1, top 2 leaves)

Also 490 baht for 50 grams.


Both those prices are presented as discounted rates, from an original higher price.  Under $15 for 50 grams of either does seem like a steal, given the review findings.




Review:




Xinyang Maojian:  it was clear that these were high quality teas long before brewing them.  The appearance is novel and promising, and dry tea scent rich, complex, and sweet.  Both have tea dust inside the bag, from trichomes, fine hairs on the buds of fresh, high quality tea.  I suppose it's conceivable that a tea could look beautiful, smell great, and contain tea fuzz and not be well above average quality tea but it would seem unlikely. 

This reminds me of running across a grass blade looking green tea version in a Beijing market a decade back, sold only as high mountain tea, which I never identified further.  It surely wasn't close to this good, but I wouldn't have known then either way. 

Taste is rich.  Umami comes across first, then vegetal range beyond that, along with freshness and sweetness.  This is really in between aspects I would associate with other green tea styles, which means nothing, since I haven't tried much of the entire range of Chinese green teas.  

Umami isn't as pronounced as in many Japanese green teas, but it's still pronounced.  Richer warm tones include a toasted rice sort of aspect I'd associate with Longjing.  Floral tone and vegetal range I can't really match to other green tea, but that would vary across many types.  Vegetal range is close to sugar snap pea, very fresh and clean.


Xinyang Himajian:  this includes richer, warmer tones.  There is some umami present too, but the whole general range is shifted.  It includes light, sweet, floral range too, but also warmer tones, not exactly matching the toasted rice in the other, but not completely different.  It tastes a bit like barley tea, that one flavor aspect.  Tisanes in general and barley tea in particular generally express a limited flavor range though, only so much complexity.  This is far more complex, going further than pretty good green tea versions often do.  

I'll have to look up how much these sell for to set up a baseline for reference after tasting, but these are clearly among the best quality green teas I've ever tried.  I wasn't really expecting that.

This includes vegetal range too, more like a fresh version of green bean instead of sugar snap pea (so heavier).  That may sound negative, as if cooked vegetables isn't a promising range for tea.  I mean that these seem to express the flavor of a lightly steamed vegetable, retaining that freshness and sweetness, not the they resemble well-cooked vegetables of any kind.

There is plenty of floral range too, just occurring in warmer tones, I guess more towards lavender, but then isolating and describing floral tones isn't really one of my strengths.  Feel is rich and full for both of these teas, with aftertaste experience carry-over.  They're clearly exceptional quality teas.

As of the first round I like the lighter tone character of the other version better, but the way these aspects in this come together in this version, and the way refined complexity and intensity is expressed, make it slightly better overall.


Quality one can determine by a range of typical markers, which vary by tea type.  It's an entirely different thing than match to preference.  The description list for these teas indicates what great quality is for green tea:  good balance, flavor intensity, positive flavor aspects, refinement, presence of umami (when matching the style), clean flavor range / lack of flaws, full feel (less of a determining input for green tea), and pronounced aftertaste experience.  In general--which varies by specific tea type--flavor aspect range varies by type as much as quality, and heavier vegetal flavors indicate a lower quality version, with sweetness and lighter floral range standing out more in many better green teas.




Maojian #2:  vegetal range shifts; this is much more complex.  Brewing this in different ways would draw out far different results.  Using cooler water would lighten flavors (this is well off boiling point but not cool, not 70 or 75 C); many people would prefer that.  Brewing this using an approach closer to Western brewing might be more conventional, longer infusion times at a lower proportion, again shifting temperature to cooler water. It's easier, and it trades out experience of transitions for even more complexity. 

Vegetal range is now dominant, with umami secondary.  Flavor is centered more on green beans, versus sugar snap peas in a first infusion.  Sweetness is great; overall complexity and intensity is perfect.  I've tried some exceptional green teas before but nothing in this style, and not much at this quality level.


Himajian:  warm tones pick up in this in an unexpected way.  It adds a lot of mineral range, and umami approaching seaweed levels and flavor.  It's still floral with some vegetal range, but it almost comes across as spice, for this being so novel and intense.  I don't love a lot of seaweed flavor range but again this really works.  It's just so clean; there is no negative fishy or sea-oriented flavor related to that, just dominant vegetal range, that is hard to place.  

I had a fantastic version of well-roasted river weed in Laos once, an experience I never will forget; this isn't completely dis-similar to that.  Maybe it would help to say that one part of the experience seems close enough to toasted sesame seeds, that flavor warmth and depth.




Maojian #3:  this shifts again; I guess it will continue like that for both.  A unique vegetal aspect enters in, like flower stem.  Floral range still supports that, and sweetness is good, so it balances well.  It could still be interpreted as tasting mainly like sugar snap pea; this shifting interpretation tends to focus on what changes, as reviews often do.  

It's hard to describe how this balances, how complexity, refinement, intensity, and additional feel and aftertaste aspects support this.


Himjian: 
yet another pronounced shift in flavor range, but again it's hard to describe.  Warm tones ramp way up, and they were already pronounced before.  It might taste a bit like roasted almonds.  It's not completely nutty in the sense of peanuts or cashews but still in that general range.  




Maojian #4:  I'll give this one more slightly longer soak and end the notes here.  These will keep going.

A toasted rice / cashew sort of note picks up.  Again brewing just a little of either of these for a shorter time at a lower proportion would be different; that would also be pleasant and interesting.  Aftertaste expression may even pick up in this.  Mineral tones and other supporting range also really supports complexity.


Himjian:  this really is shifting towards a spice tone, in a way that's hard to isolate.  It does taste a little like that roasted river weed, but there's no way that helps for most readers.  The warmer spice range that picks up is a bit like aromatic incense spice, along the line of sandalwood.  A higher level of structure picks up in the feel, of course nothing like the far more intense sheng pu'er range, but it is interesting that it changes.  Aftertaste lends the experience greater complexity.


Both these teas are just fantastic.  I had no idea that they would be like this.  It made for an interesting surprise, trying versions that are more novel and higher in quality than I could've expected. 

People who think that they don't like green tea might be surprised by these.  Some people who already do like green tea might be even more surprised, that the range extends beyond what they have experienced. 



tea event in a Bangkok mall this week


Friday, June 28, 2024

Culture conflict related to trans-gender intolerance

 

A telling test case came up recently in a news story about a trans-gender related hotel space public performance in Honolulu, in Waikiki.  I'm not sure the most obvious conclusions caught all the importance of the context, that people should be tolerant of others expressing themselves, regardless of what kind of identity they portray.

It was a local Hawaiian ceremonial performance, probably a traditional hula style dance.  That part was de-emphasized in the story, since the negative reaction by a conservative white woman, and how it all then played out, made for the main parts of the story.

She had no reasonable complaint.  She didn't want her kids exposed to people representing that kind of identity, just for being trans-gender, which really is a bit unreasonable.  She said that she would gladly leave the hotel if her room charges were refunded, and hotel staff moved quickly to help her with that.

So it's a clear win for freedom of expression and self-definition, isn't it?  Especially positive for this occurring during Pride Month.  Hawaiian culture is especially open to people representing themselves in all sorts of ways, with a history of trans-gender self-definition being accepted.  Sure, all that is positive.  

The only tension related to open acceptance relates to mainland white people representing external culture that's not appreciated, which includes a lack of tolerance for others who are different than them, as in this example.  It extends a bit from there; any negative aspects of conservative or mainstream culture are looked at negatively, or to some extent people just being white, related to a minority perspective that's not necessarily held by a small minority.  Still, everything played out as it should have in this case.

I'm living within a culture where trans-gender acceptance and conventional uptake is even more normalized, in Thailand.  Part-time; I also live in Honolulu part of the time, where my kids go to high school and grade school.  People living in Hawaii from elsewhere puts pressure on the local housing market, so acceptance of that is mixed, as I suppose it should be.  Since people can move freely between all the US states that tension, and any potential resolution, can be hard to place.

In Thailand trans-gender identity is so normal that people don't necessarily make much of it, beyond any other type of expressed identity theme.  As it should be.  So what deeper issue here concerns me?


US culture war themes


The divide in liberal and conservative perspective never should have extended to where it currently stands, it seems to me.  It's problematic for each side to express contradictory viewpoints, and for individual issues, like this one, to sort out who is in the right, correcting shared common perspective to one step closer to a better middle-ground norm.  I don't see that as happening.  Conflicts reinforce the divide instead.

I think it helps place what is going on to compare this theme to an earlier one in US history, to the civil rights movement.  In the 1950s races were quite divided in the US, with black people and other minorities living out a lower parallel form of existence from white people.  In the 70s a broad social movement corrected for this.  Some white people in the 70s wouldn't have wanted their kids to be exposed to contact with black people, to share schools with them, to attend the same restaurants, or to sit beside them in the same parts of public busses.  Those people were wrong, both in retrospect, related to where the culture shifted to, and back then too, related to not having a valid perspective and internal experience of a natural degree of empathy.

We're still landing on the conservative white woman being wrong in this case, right?  I'm not going to conclude otherwise.  

The point here is to critique where we are in the culture war, if the parallel with racism holds up, or how the two cases might vary.

One other part of the modern context is that media seems to be stoking the basis for this divide in perspective.  One part of the media, the liberal branch, is pushing for greater acceptance and openness, and the other conservative side is trying to develop justification of drawing limits for exposure.  Could it be that communication about gender identity and sexual preference options has become overextended in schools, or in entertainment media?  It seems possible, but we would need to consider why any limit of any kind would be justifiable.

One reason for this divide seems especially problematic; media streams are polarized into liberal and conservative forms because of how ownership of those has changed over the last few decades, and their role in society has shifted.  In the 1970s and 80s the role of the news media was objectivity, at least in theory, presenting events and personal stories from as objective a perspective as possible.  That's no longer true.  Two different conservative and liberal forms represent a general point of view instead.

To me, and this part is my own conjecture, this divide serves a somewhat nefarious purpose at this point, even though it had seemed to evolve organically.  Focus on political extremes takes focus off other social issues that should draw more attention, like the wealth divide, emphasis on government spending on defense, or risks related to climate change.  That sounds like a conspiracy theory, and I suppose to some extent that's how I intend it, and see it.


Do these themes connect?

Where does this set of ideas lead?  People should still be able to express their own identity in any way they like, without others being able to draw those limits for them.  Let's consider a decent example of this sort of theme extending too far, and see if there is any ground for rejecting the underlying conflict instead.

A recent case comes to mind; Disney has been producing media content, movies and shows, that move established franchise story lines into this culture-war identity politics range.  Star Wars is the main example, but not the only one.  The Alcolyte (show) is the latest example.  In these shows the heroes are typically only women, who also tend to be diverse in other personal background, from racial minorities, often representing same-gender sexual preference.  Taken alone this is not a problem, although extended far enough this would tend to portray straight white males mostly in villain roles, and that does happen.

It reaches back to the cowboys and "Indians" theme, doesn't it?  From our current perspective pigeon-holing Native Americans as villains was wrong.  But then what if we flip that; does it really work to only show white immigration to the current American west as villainous?  It works better, but it seems a bit too polarized.  The "noble savage" trope only goes so far.  In comparison with later genocide the local nations and tribes context was ideal, and it's probably difficult to separate out finer or otherwise justified distinctions from there, but in reality of course it wasn't ideal.  

I think we would be right to conclude that US territory expansion and re-definition was conducted in an immoral way, but there's no way to re-write that history.  It's different if local Hawaiians are being pushed out of their own state by economic factors today, isn't it?  That's all happening in real time.  It can be at least partly resolved.  Housing and land allocation projects only supporting established locals have been utilized for this purpose, but it seems to be far too little to make a lot of difference.

Back to the Disney example, one core problem is that new shows don't tell stories as well as older versions.  Communicating the context is a main goal, over-riding story development.  How can we identify this?  Character development is limited, story characters experiencing transition arcs, familiar within most written content, film, television, and theater based stories in the past.  That's just an example; story telling seems to suffer in different ways.

Continuity with past story telling is a concern, among fans.  The Alcolyte casts the Jedi as the villains in the story.  In a sense this isn't necessarily out of bounds; even earlier story themes made allowance for their (fictional) group culture being partly flawed.  A good story could develop this further.  It's possible that broad fan interpretation isn't objective, that "good stories" are judged in light of past expectations.  

But then it seems new story line and character development goes too far, that not much happens beyond making political commentary points.  Events seem to not follow natural story progressions, paced development, establishing tension, progression through interesting events, use of unexpected transitions, active conflict and resolution phases, etc.  Instead of developing these story elements many show or movie versions seem to rely on the positive emotional impact of female, minority characters dominating others.  

Back to cowboys defeating "Indians" / Native Americans, isn't it, a story element crutch that Western genre probably overused?  It works to tell stories in which the white immigrants "lose," but it works better when that's applied within the context of a good story, with developed characters.


Backing up a bit, where am I going with all this?  I feel a lack of satisfaction with the earlier event as demonstrating a clear and justified cultural victory.  It seems to represent that, but I don't think it addresses the context of where the conflict is coming from, or how it finally needs to be resolved.  


There is a more pronounced goal on the conservative side of "owning the libs," of people instigating tension and conflict to cause the other side a problem.  It's a form of trolling, making unreasonable statements or carrying out activities just to draw a reaction.  


My concern is that to some extent justifiable, valid communication and perspective correction going the other way could repeat some part of the same pattern.  People expressing intolerance for reasonable self-identification should be corrected, but the ongoing cultural conflict doesn't lead to any positive endpoint, or even limited progress.

  

Maybe this isn't as much of an issue in the hotel traditional dance performance case.  It seems possible that these two forms of correction are both justified, and valid.  On the Disney media development side the push-back comes in the form of audience feedback, a "Rotten Tomatoes" audience score of around 15% positive review of The Alcolyte show series.  

It's not as clear if conservatives or true "centrists" are the ones pushing back.  I suppose it's even possible that some liberals don't care for that form of story telling, especially prior Star Wars fans who happen to be liberal.  A minority race woman defeating a white man in a story line that makes no sense would still not be satisfying to them.


I seem to be implying that things aren't working out ideally enough, right?  This is my impression.  I'm not comfortable with media and news emphasis on the two extreme forms of political perspective.  There shouldn't be conservative and liberal perspective friendly hotels, isolation of two population segments in such a way.  Two sets of news channels shouldn't communicate only one of the two messages.  There shouldn't be liberal and conservative entertainment media.  There should be ways to normalize a middle ground.  

Of course in the case of that woman and that incident it's not as if she moved to a conservatively oriented hotel, although that might've been possible.  One not engaging in open support of Pride Month would be sufficient, a hotel represented as politically neutral.

From my perspective all of this should tip towards open acceptance of a range of identities and ideas, that should be normal, so I'm favoring the liberal side.  But I'm still not seeing victory by the liberal side as the right kind of goal, in some range of senses.

Didn't that happen in the US civil rights movement, with minorities being seen as equal to others as decades passed?  It seemed to.  Then during the Trump era that wasn't as clear.  I'm from a rural, white, conservative area, in rural PA, so to a limited extent I can relate to where racism is coming from.  It stems from a lack of exposure to racial diversity.  It's possible to connect racial diversity with the experience of urban problems, under the right circumstances, seeing urban crime and drug problems as relating to race issues instead of economic conditions, and other cultural influences.  Or developed urban speech use can be seen as threatening; it doesn't need to relate to actual societal problems.


But then related to what I've already said I'm seemingly ok with demonizing the wealth divide, elevating this concern to the same level of universal evil.  The "eat the rich" sentiment captures this set of ideas quickly, doesn't it?  Wealthy people have been controlling the public narrative; individuals buying media news channels and using them to promote one of the two story lines is part of the problem.  

To some extent replacing a conservative and liberal divide with a rich versus poor version must just be repeating the same perspective problem.  It would be nice if a more balanced wealth distribution in the US could result from that, though.

But then there can be right and wrong related to these divides and issues, right?  The US is better off for minorities having equal opportunities, to whatever extent that is the case.  Gay people should be accepted, not forced to hide their gender sexual preference from others.  It should be ok for people to be trans-gender, or to develop new forms of self-identity definition.

What about extremes; what if someone identifies as an elf, or a fairy, or as some type of animal?  Maybe there are practical limits.  I'm also concerned that a normalization of non-fixed internal self-identities may lead to new forms of identification that aren't as functional, for our young people.  

My kids can identify as straight or gay, or change their gender identification, if they really want to, but I think it would be a mistake for them to try to walk away from consistent forms of self-identity.  That particular form context, embracing some degree of continuity, seems to be especially functional.  We have yet to experience what would happen if highly variable forms of self-definition became a new norm, people taking up very different self-identification themes day to day, or even intentionally manifesting multiple personalities.  

I think our internal and external representations of personas are a bit arbitrary, conventional, and somewhat fictional, but that's a longer set of ideas that I'll need to set aside here.


Where to next?

How can the US culture war be "walked back?"  What would that even look like?

Victory by the liberal side probably isn't a practical outcome.  And then there doesn't seem to be a natural middle ground to arrive at.  There is no shared perspective to be developed between racism and open acceptance, for example.  Simple separation is still not ok.

The way forward seems to stem from openness and communication, not by any number of individual victories by one side.  In the initial story moving that woman to a more conservatively oriented hotel was only a temporary fix, to the extent such a thing might even exist.


This is the problem I have with this outcome.  That conservative woman "got owned" in that story.  The social media group sentiment was that she could go back to the mainland with that flawed perspective.  It wasn't the worst possible outcome.  

I would want her to understand why it's a problem to limit how other people express themselves.


The one other part of the story I haven't brought up yet relates to how this is all playing out in US public schools.  I think this is where her tension is really coming from, why the lack of acceptance came up in the first place.


Kids are taught that a broad range of gender identity and sexual preference forms are normal, in some cases, and conservatives don't want their kids to learn this.  To me those forms are just normal, maybe not according to what I grew up with, but it's all normal range in today's society.  Can my own relatively liberal perspective be universally accurate?  Maybe not.


That far extreme of atypical identity options also becomes important.  Couldn't it be inappropriate to identify as an animal or mythical character type?  Sure, why not.  On the more moderate side it becoming fashionable, in-trend, for people to identify as trans-gender may also be problematic.  Children don't have a clear gender identity at my daughter's age, typically, at 10.  Many would, and in many cases their initial self-definition would carry over to all of their adulthood, but it's also a time of transition.  

If children in the age ranges of 10 to 15 explore self-identity in novel ways this seems fine, but early options for hormone treatment and even surgery seem potentially problematic.  A decade ago even hormone therapy for a young teen would have been unthinkable, but it's happening now.  These kind of options wouldn't have to be completely reversible later on.

I'm not convinced that the most conservative option, narrowing the range of what is communicated as possible options, is necessarily right, but there may be reasons for why that's not inappropriate or entirely negative.  Societies become stable when a range of normal identity roles are defined and adopted, related to issues like gender identity, and also role identity, becoming a parent, an employee, a national citizen, a good neighbor, and so on.  All of these roles can evolve organically, and change over time.  Mapped to all of those conventional roles it's fine to be gay, transgender, to reject parenthood, to be an entrepreneur, to not participate in any political process, and to choose to remain socially isolated.  

What if social norms change so that these opposite selections become somewhat universally adopted?  The last two seem different than the others, don't they?  Democracy depends on some degree of voluntary participation, and a society made up of isolated individuals may not be as stable.  It seems likely that both of these have "broken down" in the US, and that this negative characterization is at least partly justified.

In Reddit I've recently been exposed to an anti-natalism group, made up of people who not only choose to not procreate, but also to self-identify in relation to shared perspective that people in general shouldn't do this.  Humanity should shut it all down, and cease to exist, more or less as a failed experiment.  It's a bit negative.  Surely their own negative life experiences are the main cause for this perspective.  

It could be troubling if a next step is taken, if it becomes even more common for people to think that more actively reversing human existence would be a good thing, eliminating the people that already exist.  That already comes up.  40 years ago these kinds of extremes were a rare aberration, concerns over who might become homicidal, but it's something that needs to be considered more today.


I'm not sure exactly what I'm proposing, related to walking back the culture war, or the rest.  I don't see any practical way to make any progress at all in relation to this.  I think it should at least come up as an option, that one side or the other winning doesn't need to be the only outcome, that actively setting aside the conflict itself should be considered.  It doesn't help that such a vast percentage of Youtube channels draw a lot of their following based on taking up these extremist themes and views.  Centrist perspectives that take up one extreme and then moderate and soften the framing and conclusions can also be attractive.  

Conservatives could continue to feel uncomfortable about social changes and new self-definition options without dwelling on that scope.  Liberals could continue to embrace and support others self-defining and expressing themselves as they see fit without hating the other 40% of the US population, characterizing them as villains.  What schools teach or enable could be brought in line with a middle-ground acceptance, arrived at through open dialog.  Media forms could embrace political and cultural themes without villainizing broad segments of the population.  

Of course in the last case, or all these cases, problems would come up, related to varying interpretations and perspectives.  My concern is that we don't seem to be framing these issues in these ways, as divides that we need to somehow work through and move past.  I don't think that antagonism and limited issue-based victories by one side or the other is going to help with resolving this divide, the US political culture war.  It seems it will have to play out to some form of eventual resolution that we can't currently foresee.  Maybe future generations will simply tire of it, so over a long cycle of 40 or so more years it will fall out of fashion?


Possible partial resolution; media content commentary on perspective divides


This leads me to think of what form of discussion or media input support existed 40 to 50 years ago that isn't a factor now.  What helped with that earlier change, when a lot of opinions about a race divide did shift for the better?  

A 70s television show that openly critiqued the earlier forms of race and gender imbalance comes to mind, All in the Family.  It used good writing, insightful presentation of ideas, compelling and relatable characters, and good acting to map out where issues stand, and what might represent progress.  The main character, the conservative Archie Bunker, didn't switch over to become a liberal, but the show developed situations where he was exposed to new ideas and people of types he wasn't familiar with, and was biased against, minorities and gay people.  He grudgingly came to accept that some of his earlier broad generalizations were too limited, and there were examples of people of good character from those groups, with different valid perspectives.

Of course it was a different age; without three main networks now no shows could have a similar following.  But what is popular that is trying something similar?  Shows and movies can emphasize representation now, not necessarily addressing modern biases and acceptance issues directly, or even so indirectly, but simply demonstrating a degree of relevance by having modern characters represent different races, genders, and new forms of self-identity and sexual preference.  It's not the same though.  It would be hard to support the same degree of idea presentation and indirect dialog without at least establishing parallel fictional themes.

The Alcolyte could be seen as a limited form of this sort of attempt, since one story line context challenges the form of established patriarchy by eliminating all male characters in one small social group.  It's still simple representation though; this doesn't communicate any indirect message.  In that much earlier All in the Family television show context they used familiar societal forms and character types in simulated real-life settings to develop discussion of issues, which would be much less effective if addressed far more indirectly.  

The Barbie movie seemed to try to take this other approach, to discuss themes within a fictional context, but it was taken in vastly different ways by people looking for their own versions of messages and conclusions.  One simple message might have been that the patriarchy is bad, that women should be regarded as equal to men.  Digging a little deeper the movie might have been critiquing current forms of that critique, saying that replacing it with a matriarchy paradigm might only re-form the same problems.  

I can explain.  After the Barbie World start-up patriarchy was defeated the Barbies decided to allow for token equality and representation of Kens, with severe limits, so that government and judiciary positions could be held by men, but only in a very limited form.  This could have represented a main conclusion, that granting women equality in the real world in a very limited form doesn't actually change the nature of the problem, only the appearance of it.  One male character states this explicitly earlier on, that patriarchy in the real California has only evolved to hide that form better, replacing explicit gender restrictions by implicit versions, adding other requirement criteria that men would be more likely to fulfill.  The Kens in the movie are happy to be heard and granted token equality, not a real version of it, and this could have been a main message, a caution for women accepting limited provisional equality.

Vague movie themes that can be interpreted in different ways may satisfy a range of audiences better, but that's not so helpful for social commentary.  It's a different thing, but as in this hotel meltdown example case I also don't see limited, clear-cut, one-sided victories in support of openness and acceptance as nearly as helpful as they might first seem.  Some of that is necessary, drawing clear boundaries, but it wouldn't help resolve any underlying tensions.  

The same applies to push-back of extremist liberal ideology in mainstream entertainment content as a relatively meaningful step forward.  It's positive, related to setting acceptable limits, but that Star Wars fan reaction is also mostly related to keeping entertainment content entertaining.  At least the Barbie movie did that; it used relatable fictional characters, developed story lines, and some degree of character transition arcs to tell a story.  What that message meant could vary in interpretation, which I guess is a normal component of artistic expression.  

If the received message is that the patriarchy is bad, that both genders should be regarded as equal, that seems too simplistic to function much as a social commentary.  Of course this is right.  Now tell us something we don't know, about how to undo an existing general bias, or about how since it evolved organically in the first place we can unpack and understand those factors to help reverse it.

A Star Wars series could show that the earlier good versus evil paradigm was overstated, and there can be problems within a sub-culture or power structure that is generally identified as positive.  The message wouldn't work without a good story structure, relatable characters, individual character development arcs that parallel the general perspective mapping, and great acting pulling it all off.  

It's a stretch, but not as much of a stretch as US conservatives and liberals actually talking, and learning to give space to opposing views, to understand them, and to just get along.


Lao Cai Vietnamese and Nanning Chinese wild origin black teas

 

Vietnamese tea left, in all photos


I'm reviewing the second wild material tea from ITea World in comparison with a version from Viet Sun.  Citing their descriptions will fill in more about that origin, but it is whatever it is.

It's a challenging context for the Chinese tea version, because the 2023 Lao Cai version has been one of my favorite teas.  It's complex, well-balanced, intense, and positive across flavor and other aspects.  A wild origin material hei cha from ITea World was pleasant but atypical in hei cha style, like a smoked version of Liu Bao, sort of.


Chinese Wild Black Tea  ($25 for 40 grams)


Indulge in our Chinese Wild Black Tea. Using a non-smoked Zheng Shan Xiao Zhong process, this tea boasts a rich floral aroma and a thick, smooth taste. It leaves a refreshing sensation under the tongue and a clear, lingering throat note. The aftertaste is deep and lasting, with a prolonged sweetness that brings joy




At 60 cents a gram that pricing is a little aggressive but that's how it can go with rare and desirable forms of tea.  There probably isn't any easy way to buy something similar, or maybe there are no close alternatives at all.


Lào Cai Black Spring 2024  ($19 for 100 grams)


A buddy hồng trà from medium, old and ancient trees growing at 1200-1500m in Y Tý, Lào Cai.

A fruity, honey cacao fragrance emerges upon first infusion. This tea brews up quickly into a rich crimson golden soup. The flavors I pick up are fruit jam, chicory, malt, cacao, honey with warming spices. This tea has a chicory dark chocolate bitterness with a rich lingering effect in the throat and an uplifting, focused qi.

Medium oxidation, medium rolling time/ pressure, lower than average air drying temp/ longer drying time. A great option for a morning pick me up or any time when you need a burst of clear headed energy.


At $19 for 100 grams this costs one third the per-unit weight of the other version. (or the ITea World site sells an 80 gram version for $42.50, working out to 54 cents, probably a more fair comparison).  

Again that's not so atypical for more direct from producer sales from Vietnam, versus China or another highest demand origin, like Japan or Taiwan.  If it's identical to the 2023 version that's more than fair, a great value.




Review:




Lao Cai Vietnamese:  pretty similar to the 2023 version.  It's so close that I'm probably not going to be able to do separation justice from memory.  I drank that tea yesterday, so it's not a distant memory, but this is similar.  Berry or dried dark cherry range might be a little stronger; a warm-toned edge might stand out just a little more.  This might include a bit more cacao; it's fairly pronounced.  Astringency effect is different but this is the first round, and that probably will shift some.  

The tea is great; that's the same.  I own a lot of the 2023 version and it's not enough.  I keep giving it away to people I care about, so that they can have the experience too, but I'll try to mostly hold onto it from here.


Daming Mountain, Shanglin County, Nanning wild black tea:  that's really novel, and quite pleasant.  Flavor is pretty intense, warm, sweet, complex, and unusual.  Feel is giving up a lot in terms of fullness, but then again it's early, and I expect feel to shift for both.  This tastes like dried elderberry, or rather as that would taste, if I'd ever had it.  I ate a lot of elderberry pies as a child but never experienced that berry dry, even though since it grew wild locally we could've just kept picking it, and then dried it.  It would've been a shame to not make it all into pies though, so my Mom did.

There is a very faint musty input in this, hard to place that it's so subtle, connecting with warm mineral tone.  From here that could develop, but I'd expect it to drop out instead.  Feel is rich and smooth, just not as structured and full as the other.  

In tasting between the two it includes mineral that ties to feel that's more astringent, causing a slight mouth puckering effect.  That comes across as fullness of feel initially, not remotely as a flaw, but in tasting between the two the effect is that it seems more "rustic," less refined.  But also better, in a few senses, more intense, with more flavor complexity, not just hitting a narrow range of a few flavor inputs.  It will be interesting seeing how both evolve.

Based only on the first round the Vietnamese version takes it, but that's only according to my own preference.  In a way this Chinese version is more novel and more refined, so people might value that more than the additional complexity and intensity.




Lao Cai 2:  that's so good!  This is clearly more complex, layered, and refined than the earlier 2023 version, I think.  I don't feel badly about owning quite a bit of the other instead of this one; they're both similar, and both great.  A brandy-like effect comes across in the flavor profile, tying to the cherry range more than the cacao.  The feel is just wonderful, full, structured, rich, and not rough at all.  It's velvety, not light.  A clean, sweet aftertaste effect carries over.  I can easily recommend that anyone buys as much of this as they feel comfortable deciding on.

It would be possible to interpret this flavor as including tartness, in which case the berry range might seem more like cranberry than dark cherry.  I'm not a fan of tartness in black tea, actually a bit sensitive to that, and it's so moderate (limited) in this I don't interpret it that way.  The feel including a bit of astringency edge I see as normal, positive black tea experience.  Framed in positive terms it represents complex and full structure; framed negatively it's dryness instead.


Nanning:  this filled in as well; flavor complexity filled in what seemed like a thin spot before, and feel structure is richer and fuller.  It's crazy that both these teas are this good.  I thought the 2023 Lao Cai version would be an unfair starting point for comparison for me loving it so much, then this next year's is better, and the Chinese tea holds its own.  

This tastes like Christmas; I can even explain why.  Elderberry has shifted to taste more like teaberry, a flavor that won't ring a bell to many.  It's a mix of berry flavor and mint, which balances really well with a lighter cacao tone than the other includes.  

I suppose that if someone felt that a medium degree of feel structure is needed to balance warm, rich, complex flavors that could still seem like a gap for this version.  Or the opposite could occur in judgement, and the lightness could make this seem more refined.  To me they both work, just in different ways.

It looks like I'm brewing a bit more of the Vietnamese tea, because it expanded more.  The tightly twisted leaves in this version have expanded, but not as much.  I'm not at all concerned that it might be an unfair test of them; there isn't that much difference.




Lao Cai #3:  the same, not changing.  Warm mineral supports rich dried cherry, cacao, and range that could be interpreted as tartness, with a pleasant brandy-like effect setting context.  I see this as more refined than rustic, or maybe those concepts add nothing to practical description.  The feel is great, full and rich, with pleasant structure, but still smooth.  I could drink this tea most of the time and wouldn't tire of it, even though I'm mainly a sheng pu'er drinker.  It would be great drank alone or with food, lots better than necessary for a daily drinker, but it could serve that role well in this style.


Nanning:  not evolving too much; maybe flavor complexity is tying together better, and feel keeps evening out to not include thinness across a feel range that's impossible to describe.  This flavor set is novel and pleasant.  

Maybe the other is more standard, more typical, and that would serve it better as an input one might be open to repeating countless times.  Maybe this one is more novel, and that would come across better as a unique experience, something to savor or share.  Who knows about all that; it would just depend on the subjective impression one gets from either.  

This tea being lighter in feel, to the extent that could be interpreted as a gap, makes it a less suitable pairing with food, but for some that could be regarded as a strength, for it to be a more refined stand-alone experience.  A black tea drinker might miss the extra feel structure but an oolong drinker could prefer this version for being rich and full enough as it is.  Either of these would be pretty flexible about range of potential brewing approaches; they would both be great brewed Western style, and could work out brewed "grandpa style," left in contact with water in a tea bottle.




Lao Cai #4:  last round; I'm off to yet another pressing errand.  Dried dark cherry is stronger than ever in this, supported nicely by cacao.  That could taste like a Christmas theme, couldn't it?  I think this might be a perfect tea to get someone new to better tea started, and also one someone almost the entire way through an experience curve would love.  That's the magic of a range of different black teas, that anyone could appreciate them.  

To put it in perspective that hint of feel structure and dryness isn't completely unlike Assam, but it's at a fraction of the proportion that tends to occur in the best quality versions of those.  Those are malty instead, used in a different sense than one would mean related to describing Ovaltine, or the malt in a milkshake.  It would work to say this tastes like malt too, but to me fruit and cacao stands out more.


Nanning:  it's interesting how flavor intensity, complexity, and fullness of feel structure keep gradually ramping up in this.  It matches the other.  That one especially catchy flavor aspect range people might describe differently.  Here I've pegged it as elderberry, then teaberry, referencing a brandy-like quality, with cacao as a secondary input.  As usual that wouldn't be a universal interpretation; if I tried this a couple of more times I might vary it.  It works as a well-grounded and descriptive initial impression.


Conclusions:


This gets a little strange, because I want to conclude that both are very positive, simply unique in different ways.  Then I preferred the version that costs one third as much as the other, aligning value and my own personal preference with that one.

It is still fair to say that they're simply two different types of tea.  The Chinese version is a bit more refined, subtle and distinctive in a different way, and unique in terms of flavor profile.  It evolved positively across rounds; later in the tasting they were more equivalent.  The Vietnamese tea also has a very positive flavor profile, and higher intensity of flavor, with more intense feel structure and aftertaste, all in a positive range.  For someone really into mild feel and refined flavored black tea they could like the Chinese version better, but to me that feel structure in the Vietnamese version was so moderate that I don't see it as a negative factor at all.

As I mentioned earlier there's often an option to get better value teas from origins outside of the highest demand areas, from places like Vietnam, Thailand, Georgia, Nepal, or even Indonesia.  Then it just depends on the sales channel too.


The ITea World vendor stands out in relation to offering a lot of standard type or more unique and interesting versions as samples or sample sets; potential customers should probably make the most of this option range.  Then if a version introduced through this approach really stands out as a match to preference ordering more volume of it would be a clearly defined option.  For having a tight tea budget I tend to react quite a bit to per-volume sales value, but for many others spending $25 on high quality tea that you can drink a significant number of times would already be acceptable value.


The Viet Sun source is where I've been buying tea for the past couple of years.  For tea enthusiasts there shouldn't be a need to add to that; the meaning should already be clear.  Teas are good, value is good, and the styles are positive, distinctive, and interesting.  

Often new or newish vendors will sell teas at great value for a relatively long initial period, build up following and demand, and then will often suddenly shift that pricing structure, turning over a lot of customers who are attracted by value, but continuing to build on sales volume by marketing to attract others.  Whether or not Viet Sun follows this pattern value is pretty good now, and products are high in quality and distinctive; it's a good time to explore what they sell.  

The only downside is that many people don't buy $100 worth of tea at a time (really!), and their free international shipping threshold is set at $88.  It's a great option for people who are already focused quite a bit on tea experience, but for people just considering expanding out from drinking $15 per tin mass produced teas it may seem like a bit of a step.


Monday, June 24, 2024

Chen Sheng Hao Yin Ban Zhang and Nan Nuo sheng pu'er

 

Ban Zhang left in all photos (Nannuo right)




I'm trying two more teas from a tasting set sent by the Chen Sheng Hao vendor.  They're a curator vendor, per their description of background, seemingly specializing in sourcing better quality sheng pu'er.  I take all marketing claims with a grain of salt, but let's consider their own description:


Meng Hai Chen Sheng Tea Co., Ltd. was established in 2007 by Mr. Chen Shenghe, a tea lover who has worked in the tea industry for more than 50 years. At Chen Sheng Hao, we’re passionate about sharing the rich history and unique flavors of Chinese tea with the rest of the world. Our single origin teas highlight the characteristics of the regions and tea trees from which they’ve grown. Our award winning blends come with a time tested reputation for proper aging.

   

Sounds good.

I have reviewed two other versions, presented as the more basic range in that set (of 7 small cakes, 28 grams each, divided into four sections in a "candy bar" style).  To me presentation as small cakes is an especially catchy form, but of course the tea experience itself is the thing.  It worked better this time separating out the leaves, as shown, prying apart the quarter disk section, which removes part of the functional convenience of just breaking off a chunk, but either way does work.


In this round I'm trying one presented as one of the best of the set (a few are described that way, as of unusual origin or award-winning versions), from the Ban Zhang area, and one presented as a conventional example of Nan Nuo origin.  I've had good experiences with tea from that area before (both, really), not that I've tried enough that I'm certain I've experienced a typical range.


Their website descriptions (an excerpt from the whole set):


2022 Yin Ban Zhang (银班章)

A blended raw Pu-erh selected materials from the Ban Zhang area. This tea has powerful "Chaqi". The beginning taste is bitter and slightly astringent with quick sweet aftertaste.


2022 Ban Po Zhai (半坡寨)

Sourced from Nannuo mountain with a light sweet orchid aroma, subtle woody aroma, and lingering sweet aftertaste.


Quality level is only indirectly implied in those descriptions, of course.  It's interesting how it works out, that there is a difference.  It's not as simple as that one factor shifting how positive an impression is though, but that's a lot of it.


Review:




Yin Ban Zhang:  as always a little light for a full breakdown, on this first round, but then that's how I try teas.  Sweetness is very nice; that definitely stands out.  Flavors are bright and complex already, largely in a floral range.  That flavor set is catchy already, towards fruit, or juicyfruit gum.  A hint of early bitterness implies that will pick up.


Ban Ph Zha (Nannuo):  a little flat compared to the other, but that could easily also relate to starting slower.  The two mini-cake materials separated differently, and this stayed in full chunks, while the other flaked off to become more loosened tea.  This seemed to be pressed a little harder.  I'll give it a few extra seconds and describe more next round.




Ban Zhang 2:  this is nice.  Bitterness did ramp up quickly, and sweetness and very complex flavor dialed up as well.  I suppose it's possible that there is a type-typical flavor range for Ban Zhang area teas that this expressed.  I've tried three versions from there, I think, or at least teas presented as such, but my memory isn't good enough to reach back to three different tastings over a number of years.  I could consult review notes here but won't; teas vary by other factors than typical character per origin area.

Flavor intensity and that balance of sweetness with bitterness is nice.  And the feel structure, and the way aftertaste lingers much longer than is typical.  I'm not sure if I'll get far with breaking this down further than tasting like floral range towards fruit, leaning towards juicyfruit gum effect.  Those markers identify this as better quality tea (intense and sweet flavor, positive bitterness, feel and aftertaste), but I'm not sure I enjoy it so much more for it seeming better.  Good complex flavor and positive character is already enough for me, and some of the aspects that seem like quality markers are more positive to experience than others.  It is interesting.


Nannuo:  warmer toned.  It comes across as more subtle, but that's really due to the relative intensity of the other version.  It's in a normal range.  Warmer mineral is where that tone is mostly expressed.  Flavor range is floral; I'll see about adding to that description in the following rounds.  It seems good; flavors are positive, the bitterness is at an appropriate level, a little lower, in good balance, with decent feel and some aftertaste experience.  

I've been drinking fairly approachable Vietnamese young sheng, brand new versions, and it's interesting getting back to more of a Yunnan style.  Both of these may have been more challenging two years ago, but probably still fine to drink then.  Two years of normal storage for moderately tightly pressed cake won't change so much, but approachability may increase, and more extreme edge of bitterness and astringency may transition some.  A vague freshness will drop off, but that's not the kind of aspect that's easy to describe or place.  For a lot of young sheng limited initial change is mostly positive.




Ban Zhang 3:  hitting its stride; more intense and integrated.  Even at a slightly lower 7 grams proportion--I surely brew 8 or 9 more often--I'll need to keep times fast to keep intensity / brewed strength moderate.  Tones warm up, matching the other's.  Stored in warm and humid enough conditions these really could have changed a good bit in two years, but at a guess that input was moderate.  Then again I'm comparing that to Bangkok, one of the hottest and most humid places one could find, where a year can really change a pu'er.

Flavors are complex; there's a lot one could say for interpretation.  Range is mostly floral, but to me it leans towards fruit.  It's hard to specify which fruit, but to add a guess similar to fresh lychee, maybe also with a touch of citrus.  That warming occurred across mineral range; if it keeps extending it might resemble some sort of spice tone more, since that's a relatively common transition pattern.


Nannuo:  as the other picks up more and more intensity this seems more and more flat.  Really it's pretty good; flavors are positive, feel is nice, there is some aftertaste experience, moderate bitterness complements the rest, and warm tones join floral range.  It doesn't necessarily need to be pushed to express more intensity; there's no reason it should need to match the other tea.  It's just a different kind of experience.




Ban Zhang 4:  vegetal range picks up, a bit towards pine.  It's interesting, as combined with the floral range, fruit, and warm mineral.  There's a lot going on with this.  Feel deepens and becomes richer too, trading out structure for fullness.  With the general warming tone across infusions it's a lot of transition to experience.


Nannuo:  I do like this tea, even though it's much simpler, less intense and complex.  Warm mineral and floral range is joined by a touch more fruit, towards dried fruit, like apricot.  Bitterness has eased up, in a really limited, moderate level at this point (maybe still a little higher than in the young Vietnamese sheng I mentioned, for reference).  Feel structure is significant but not challenging.  There is some aftertaste experience but it's not pronounced in comparison with the Ban Zhang version.  

This tea would seem better if not directly compared with the other; it gives up intensity across all of the aspects range.


before mixing rounds to adjust for brewing these too long


Ban Zhang 5th and 6th infusions:  it's not a great idea to comparison taste this tea along with another version; that's not really a surprise.  The flavor and mouthfeel intensity is going to be adjoined with body feel effect and impact on your stomach.  

People value the former, the head and body buzz, but I tend to take steps to offset all of it.  I ate breakfast just before this tasting, and just ate some mixed nuts and chocolate to settle my stomach.  I don't have stomach problems, but still take steps to keep it that way, not blasting down a liter of strong tea with no protective food input.  Eating offsets feel effects, noticing cha qi, which is fine for me.

These teas would be fine brewed much lighter, using 10 second infusion times, or less, but I'm not making that adjustment.  Writing while tasting is part of it; it's easy to lose focus for 30 seconds, and that's way too long an infusion time.

Intensity really is a bit much this round.  Typically I'd brew the next round as a flash infusion and combine the two, to dilute that.  This may be the first time I've used that hack during a tasting, but let's do that.

This is still strong tea.  Brewed infusion strength is back to normal, diluted down, but lighter than normal might make even more sense.  Sweetness is intense, floral range and other flavors also are, rich feel and aftertaste are intense.  Even tempered by food input the drug-like cha qi effect is strong.  


I don't identify as a drug user, but then it's odd how tea and exercise experiences I seek out probably include a lot of that kind of input, which is surely no accident.  I run like I'm training for something, 10 to 12 km at a time, even in heat, pushing up hill sections, and never connect that with craving the endorphin buzz from it.  I drink a lot of wild-origin tea, which seems pleasant to me, and could possibly be safer, but I probably also crave feel effect that I'm not explicitly noticing.  Usually; sometimes I do notice.


Nannuo:  plainer, simpler, and less intense, but this would come across differently without the comparison.  It's good, complex, refined, and well-balanced.  But across all the aspect scope the other is a little more extreme, sweeter, more floral, with more supporting flavor range, richer in feel, with longer aftertaste, just dialed up.  The other tea would make more sense if you drank it brewed much lighter, appreciating that intensity in a different experience context.  

This works well at a normal infusion strength (normal or medium for me; that would vary by person).  

It's tempting to say that per some potential preference it could be seen as better than the other as a result.  That seems a stretch, but it doesn't seem to work to say that the other one is just better since everything is so much more dialed up.  In one sense it is just better, but in another just different.  It's clearly better quality tea, and the styles are vaguely similar enough that it doesn't work to say that someone might love this one but not the Ban Zhang tea.  It's possible, but probably not.


Next round:  trying them lighter the Ban Zhang is better, pleasant that way, and the Nannuo is way too thin.  It may be giving up a little sweetness already, or it could just be how it comes across brewed too light.  I'll drop the note-taking here, since it runs long for me to write and readers to go through, and 14 cups of tea is plenty at one time (over an hour or more, this has been, since I've also been doing other things).


I suppose these did fade a little fast for drinking them on the stronger side, related to trying a few more rounds.  It was a busy day yesterday, as my weekends tend to be, and rushing trying two teas and taking notes led to less careful brewing, letting infusion times run a bit longer as a result.


Conclusions:


I've concluded so much already, and don't want to just type it again.  It was interesting how one tea was so much better, that much more distinctive, intense, and higher in quality level, and the other still kind of held its own, to a limited degree.  It was in a character range I like; that helped.

Maybe both versions resembled what I've tried before from those origins; as I remember they did.  Styles vary some too, so I mean within that limitation.

For one being flagged as representing a distinctive, unique tea version and the other representing an area and different kind of experience they were both positive and appropriate.  The Nan Nuo version is better than a typical factory tea version, of course, more in the range in-house specialty production teas tend to land in.  Not on the high side related to that typical quality level, since plenty of vendors are putting out really nice teas as their best versions, but good, and pleasant, certainly not representative of lower-medium quality "basics" tasting sets.

Related to separating the leaves initially, breaking them apart, that seemed to help with consistency of brewing.  People who are ok with--or really don't care for--brewing dragonball forms would probably know where they would stand on this kind of issue.