Taking up yoga (2); good basics videos

Kapil, my instructor there

I'm posting this mostly to include the references in the second part of the title, sharing some good, short instructional yoga videos my local studio made (Yog Aria), for the pandemic period practice, when they were closed.   All of Thailand was closed.

That pandemic is essentially over here in Thailand, but in other places people really should keep social contact limited.  Here we just had two new corona virus cases from two people visiting from overseas, potentially relating to unknown cases that have yet to turn up.  I suppose it's good that maintaining the isolation of the country is a major problem, with serious side-effects, but corona virus exposure risk really isn't, at this point.


In this post I mentioned how odd it was taking up a sport that I'm bad at.  I did a little stretching over the three month quarantine break here, mostly a modified version of the sun salutation cycle, but I'm right back to experiencing that gap in proficiency again, for the last three weekends in a row.  That rest time involved recovering from a knee injury, which is mostly better now but seemingly essentially permanent.

Kalani is helping by instructing me a little on the side, once based on a "yoga for kids" video and once on her own.  It's crazy how flexible she is, and how good her balance is.  She did classes in ballet and hip-hop dance, so it's no surprise.

a recent image of my little guru, doing a serious model pose

yoga on the go, as part of posing for pictures

About yoga practice styles and Yog Aria

I'm not the best person to have developed opinion on how practice and instruction varies, but I want to share my impression anyway.  I did yoga on my own as preparation for snowboarding a very long time ago.  That was really before yoga became as common as it now is, back in the early 90s (right, I'm getting old).  That's definitely not intended as any sort of baseline, because I had no idea what I was doing, using a basic guide to do a limited number of basic poses.  I would hold those for an indefinite time, until my body relaxed into that position.  The classes I now take involve a relatively opposite approach.

It's more like a work-out, a fast paced run-through of linked sequences of poses.  Kapil described that as a modern interpretation of traditional yoga, incorporating some degree of conditioning with other balance and flexibility aspects.  It works; I come out of those one hour sessions kind of beaten up.

I think my own current physical gap is flexibility related, not conditioning, but it works for both, forcing me to stretch in ways I barely can, or sometimes can't.  I suppose there could be more emphasis on the balance aspect in what I've experienced, but that's not really one of my own main concerns.  My balance is ok, strength and cardio conditioning are pretty good, but flexibility is horrible.  That's office work for you, the result of sitting at a desk for a dozen years, gradually changing my posture to resemble a question mark.

Related to my practice, it would go better if I put more time in between once-a-week Saturday or Sunday sessions, but my days are pretty full.  Sparing a second weekend hour is also problematic; lots of things come up with the kids, and it's appropriate to make those a priority.  Even tea reviewing keeps getting bumped.

I was just trying to figure out which to go to on the weekend; three of those look good

Of course they do have different classes, with different levels of difficulty, emphasis on stretching versus work-out, or following traditional themes versus other developed scope.  The last class I did was "twisting;" that was rough.  At least I'm more comfortable being able to do some but not all of the positions now.  It's a stretch to say I've made much progress but at least the activity is more familiar, and I'm probably slightly more flexible.

It seems a little unfair that all those 100 pound Thai women have almost no muscle mass to stretch.  In thinking that context through muscle mass serves no purpose beyond aesthetics, until you want to pick up something heavy, or I guess to run, in the case of lower-body.

they don't have yoga for kids but they did do a promotional session once, and do private classes

Others would know how all of this maps onto other forms of practice better.  To some extent I'm not really shopping around for the best fit or a certain style.  That studio is near our house, the expense is reasonable, and I like the instructor, Kapil.  He seems competent and genuine, and the practice seems fine to me.  It would be nice if I had a more normal picture of him, not doing a crazy pose with an inspirational saying, but I never snap any shots while there.

Kapil (credit their FB page)

The subject of his title might come to mind; is he a yoga instructor (how I frame that, as a teacher), or instead a guru or master?  It relates to a divide in use of such terms related to tea, discussed in this post.  I can see why people might like those romantic images, and feel an attraction towards defining a role that extends beyond that of teacher.  I just don't.


Someone who doesn't do yoga might wonder, just how strange is the subculture, and how much does that aspect play a role?  I've attended a seminar session at a local health and wellness group that was more about that kind of thing, where it looked like you should get a tattoo and wear some Indian clothes to fit in, and should eat some turmeric afterwards.  No one seems to be a member of that sub-culture in this studio, just normal, upper-middle-class local people.  Mind you I have nothing against New Age inspired modern culture; I was into more of that myself awhile back, and Buddhism is a personal interest, along with tea.

tea group themes definitely go there; it's a decent fit

Yoga is partly about keeping up with wearing trendy yoga clothes, but even that they don't overdo in this place.  I suppose it's because I live in an older, traditional part of Bangkok, near a moderate size university, in Dusit. 

It could potentially be difficult to access for local foreigners, since Ari is the closest foreigner oriented neighborhood, but that's 15 minutes drive away, or longer if traffic is bad.  It's not so far from a river ferry pier, Thewet, but lots of people don't use those.  They should; it's by far the coolest way to get around the city, and it costs about 50 cents.  It's just that most of newer housing options are near sky-train and subway stations, and not the river.

the pier at Chinatown

it's like a bus, but you can stand towards the back if you would rather

Reference videos:

I had intended to use these for more practice during the pandemic, but my knee needed rest, and I worked from home instead of taking a break from working, so I kept busy.  There are others linked to on their Facebook page, but these get the point across:


Sun salutation

Core strength

20 minutes basic practice

Yoga for better sleep

Vital Vinyasa (part 1 of 2)

Taking up yoga; sucking at it

It will be nice writing about something other than tea or the end of the world.  I think there are general lessons to be found in my latest health venture, taking up yoga, which relate most to someone at my age maintaining health or starting something new (I'm 51).

My wife had asked me to join her in getting into yoga before, and I had always declined.  She asked a couple of weeks ago if I would go to a class that day (here), and I said no, before I realized that it was February 14th, Valentine's day.  If that's what she really wanted instead of some dinner outing what could I do; I went.  Oddly I had practiced yoga a little when I was younger, used for stretching and getting focused before snowboarding.  Not in a class, just doing positions from a book.

my hair is on the way out too

It felt strange, being in that studio environment, with mostly women, all wearing the typical sort of uniform, stretchy tights and a functional athletic-tech material top.  So far so good though.

The instructor, an Indian guy I had met once before (who is really nice--that helps a lot), came in and mentioned that it was an advanced class--not ideal.  I was there already, ready to pose and stretch; it was a bit late to kill the planning.

It didn't go well.  Half of the positions I could do no problem, even for them being called out relatively quickly.  Most of the other half I wasn't even close to being able to do.  If it was just similar to not being able to touch my toes--one form of limitation that came up--that would be fine, but in lots of cases the basic starting point was beyond me, or I would just get lost in the pace of following along.  An example of the first:  one pose involved grabbing your big toe and pulling your leg up to something like a standing split.  Not happening.

those two in the bottom right are my kids

I thought that would be it for my yoga practice, but over the next couple of days I noticed that I was really sore in some odd places.  Not only did that session highlight unconventional limits to my flexibility, it also turned up that yoga would "work out" supporting muscles that weren't accustomed to being used at all.  Both were probably exactly what I needed, to turn back the process of my posture resembling a question mark due to sitting at a desk for a work-week (I work in IT), and to regain a higher level use of controlling muscle function.  I signed up for more classes, and went back the next week.

I just saw this, captioned "When you become a living golden ratio"

Maybe I never mentioned here that I took up running a bit over a year ago.  I'm not exactly fit, but I can run about 5 miles / 7.5 kilometers in around 40 minutes.  That's not helping my flexibility though.  And the learning curve process seemed a lot more comfortable, if a bit physically unpleasant.

The next week I attended an intermediate class instead, this time relating to "deep stretching."  Again I could do justice to half of what came up, and again severe limits came up.  It's hard to place what it's like experiencing a failing effort in a class setting like that.  My "classmates" were almost all tiny Asian women, who were much more flexible than an average person.  It almost seemed like cheating, them being so thin.  The idea is not to score yourself based on what the people around you are capable of, to focus on your own progress and experience, but it's still a bit frustrating.  It has to cross your mind:  what am I doing here?

tree pose, I think

I'm reminded of the idea that we don't chose sports based on a match to our likes, but rather to our aptitudes (which would naturally match up).  Tall and lanky people might tend to like running; short and heavy built people lifting weights.  Snowboarding was the sport that clicked best for me, and my body size, mechanics aptitude, and mental approach seemed to click for that.  I'm not a naturally gifted runner; I ran track and cross-country in high school and I was never going to do well in running sports, even with better than average training.  It would help to be thin framed and lean to do yoga but in general physical aptitudes would seem to matter less.

Exercising after 50 is nothing like starting those pursuits back at age 35 or so.  I noticed in taking up running that recovery time was really slow, and being prone to injury came up.  I was only ever injured once in nearly a decade of fairly intense snowboarding, in a crash, which my shoulder took a few years to self-repair.  I never had a calf strain, anything like shin splints, sore quadriceps or hamstrings (beyond normal conditioning issues).  I never took 2 or 3 days off any activity to heal in order to do it again.

Living in Hawaii in grad school I took up biking for transportation and never really even thought of that as conditioning, even though I spent an hour a day in transit on a bike.  Contrasting that with now, the last time I was injured was from crawling around a play area with my kids, hyper-extending my knee and experiencing what a doctor informed is called a "Baker's cyst," a minor joint fluid leak.  It's not as bad as it sounds.

I can kind of fit in those crawl spaces but it's a different experience than for my kids

The "lessons" parts here seem obvious enough; things get harder as we get older, and starting something new can involve a learning curve and acceptance of being terrible at an activity in a public setting.  Somehow people walking then running slowly, putting that lack of conditioning out there, doesn't seem quite as pronounced as a limitation.  I'd probably fare better in an actual "beginner level" yoga class, but in the center I've been attending that particular class instructor is Thai, so I'd be "training" via instruction in a language I'm not fluent in (to say the least).

My wife has some weight issues, and knee problems that make my own really seem like nothing, and she's regained a lot of body function, starting out in a more appropriate lower level and building up, as one would.  It's nice that she gets to assume the role of the better athlete between the two of us, for now.

I intend all of this as a warning to those who read it who are around my age, and getting out of shape (or better yet only around 40 instead).  Your body is going to degrade a bit, but there is time to counter that.  Just walking can help a lot, if it's down to doing that or doing nothing.  When I took up walking quite a bit more about 2 years ago I never expected it to lead to running, and then yoga, it was just a measure to see if I could resolve knee joint stiffness.  It worked, although that same knee isn't exactly 100% right now, slightly tweaked in two different ways.  I checked if it can support running nearly 4 km / 2 1/2 miles doing a short loop this morning; it can.

Related to the running, and one rare clear measure of progress, my resting heart rate dropped from the 70s to the 60s in the past year; maybe I'll live longer.  My cholesterol level, another main reason I took up the running, never did drop, still at the upper borderline.

One might wonder, how does any of this relate to tea?  I think it doesn't.  Maybe I'm holding up better for drinking lots of tea or maybe I'm not, but I kind of doubt it.  It's definitely not granting me joint flexibility, and drinking really significant quantities of sheng for two years also hasn't resolved that cholesterol level issue.  Maybe it's not "green" enough?

I still have faith that drinking tea is probably quite healthy, but one has to be practical about these sorts of issues, and take a broader approach than relying on just a beverage choice input.  Being in relatively poor health is definitely an option, but what that means in terms of limitations tends to change at different ages.

About the yoga theme conclusions, maybe I'll check back in after a few months and write from a different perspective than that of an absolute beginner.  It would make for a nicer story to talk about how it was all really working out.

Attending a detox seminar; what's it all about?

I just attended a Bangkok Expat Healthified group detox theme event.  Of course I was a little skeptical; people use that concept in a lot of different ways, many that make no sense.  Your liver and kidneys remove toxins from your body, not special teas, vinegar, alkaline foods, or whatever else.  Bear with me; it all makes plenty of sense, and the parts that don't work are also interesting.  I went in with an open mind, a very practical approach, with this review covering what people said in three separate presentations.

not about those products or marketing (photo credit)

As tea goes detox tea tends to be a strong laxative or diuretic product, both of which will help a person temporarily "cut weight" but with no health benefit; the opposite instead.  Those contain things like senna.


Fair warning:  this really isn't about detox tea or slimming tea, or any tea at all, so for the most part outside the scope of this main blog theme (although I do mention how it connects at the end).  I just watched a Tea Fix podcast on detox issues related to tea but they were focused more on rejecting the standard claims and those herbal products, and to some extent tea as a miracle health product in general.


Since none of the problematic herb tea themed detox ideas came up, in this or any talks, what was "detoxing," to them?  Really three different things in the three talks, which overlapped quite a bit.


I will be critical of parts of what they said and supportive of other parts.  The idea isn't to condemn any particular approach or to completely endorse one either.  The ideas were interesting to me.  A later section here interprets how something more complicated than people passing on good, helpful information mixed with some flaws in background context or conclusions is going on.

Olga Vita on detox

Details about an event coming up on the 26th, with Olga Vita presenting more along the same lines, might work to specify this theme better, or serve as a resource.

the next related longer talk; more details here

Her talk was interesting, and it made some really good points.  Not all of it worked for me.  One has to be careful with both the bias towards accepting things you want to be true and rejecting those you expect to be false.  Maybe no one in that room had issues with the latter, but both throw off clearly considering ideas that you encounter.  That's essentially a summary of confirmation bias, a common flaw in reasoning.  It really should already be familiar, but here's a good definition just in case:

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.


Back to the central theme, the first talk of the three was more a short introduction to a larger set of ideas that weren't covered in detail, but there were some clear themes and distinct ideas.


Detox was presented as a general term for eliminating anything harmful, not even limited to toxins as negative compounds in the body.  Processed food or sugar based diets were presented as unhealthy, or use of artificial flavors or scents.  That's sort of cheating, narrowing toxins down to known, common sense problems.  Using a definition that broad working in an unpleasant work environment could be considered toxic.  It definitely is unhealthy.


Olga presented drinking water from a plastic bottle as unhealthy.  That could be, and it's not that controversial, since that's been covered in legitimate news for awhile, that traces of that plastic gets in the water.  And she raised cell phone EMF output as a risk, which also might be right, or might not be so bad.  It would seem odd if no negative health effects are ever connected with all the types of signals that pass through us.  It's not natural.

(photo credit)

Contact with nature was presented as positive (for a sketchy reason; toxins are positively charged but the Earth is negative), but the point still works.  Walking barefoot in Bangkok might put you in contact with parasites too, but there would certainly be a psychological benefit. Wearing shoes or even flip flops all your life is unnatural.


You don't need ancient Chinese medicine and that one crazy footpad nerve-energy pattern model to sort out that walking barefoot is very refreshing; you can just walk around and draw your own conclusions.  The same applies to being around plants instead of inside shopping malls or walking on concrete.


She recommended skipping breakfast, the intermittent fasting idea, that eating for 14 hours a day is overdoing it.  Again, maybe. How to judge that?  Surely different cycles would work best for different people, based on all sorts of inputs. It's pretty far off the track of colon cleansing, a topic that didn't come up until the next presentation.


A recommendation to only use fasting to the extent you are not making too big a shift made good sense.  It was easy to miss that this was one of the more practical, positive themes she brought up:  you start from where you are.  Someone really into a poor diet, processed junk foods and sodas, would shift off that first. Next someone could move on to a temporary raw diet, then later up to juice fast, and after acclimation onto water fasting (not one after the other, as an longer term staged program).

I experimented with periodic juice fasting when I was younger and that seemed fine, not difficult or shocking. I'm not sure if it actually helped but it seemed like a good idea at the time, and I still believe that it's unnatural and even harmful to never let your body get a break from the digestion cycle.  I can't justify or explain that; it's just my impression, based on limited personal experience.


A bit on structured water started to go off the rails, per conventional wisdom.  Finally, something to criticize.

The idea is that water remembers a form it took in the past, a shape, so specific forms of stirring rearranges it, or certain mineral concentrations set up structural patterns. The basic premise is nonsense but all the same some of the steps taken to "structure" water may still be positive and useful, even if based on theory that's dead wrong.  An example:  she recommended to drink natural spring water versus treated water, and to select water based on mineral content, or treat it with minerals.  All that might work.  It's quite possible that water is healthiest if you drink it with certain minerals included, and in general we don't keep track of which are in different versions of water, or at what levels.

yeah, no (credit)

Someone might wonder, how can I be so sure that "structured water" isn't a real thing, that there couldn't be anything to it?  It violates the basics of what water or any fluid even is.  Anyone who took basic college chem classes would know better; fluids don't have molecular pattern shapes, Brownian motion or movement causes molecules in any liquid to move around quite a bit.  Not in the same sense as heat representing a level of carried energy and motion in a solid; all the molecules move in relation to position to each other.  It's not simple to look up what any one person is referring to related to that subject, which could vary, but I have ran through background review on this topic before.

Again there might be more going on than the description being wrong; in some rare cases useful conclusions could be masked by completely wrong explanations.  It seems like in most cases dissolved levels of gasses in water could be adjusted by physical manipulation that's described as giving the water structure.  In this case it's unlikely that would be helpful though, since we have another organ that's much better at taking in and removing gasses than our digestive system, in the form of our lungs.  Drinking water that's not contaminated by traces of unhealthy substances seems a much more important concern than all the rest.

I'll say more about a general impression at the end, but I liked the content, in general.  And Olga seemed genuine and nice enough, which helps.

Second speaker:  Rasayana retreat (a spa, really)

This speaker also seemed nice enough (I lost track of her name, and it's not in notices and such), and for the most part the content was clear and grounded.  Again it seems odd to specify that eating a lot of raw foods or drinking juices, or just drinking plenty of water, is really "detoxing."  You sort of expect more from the theme.  It's as if someone was going to pass on a special method to have more energy and then told you to get enough consistent sleep at night.  That would help, by the way.

The second speaker stuck mostly to some plain common sense ideas, with that bit about colonics mixed in but played down (about getting enemas).  She offered retreat services, endorsing outings based on eating healthy foods, including a lot of raw foods and juices, and getting massages, etc.

I'd skip all of it myself, given the colonics tie-in, but who knows, some people are into that.  Two of my good friends were back in the 90s, but it's my impression that the trend either came and went or never really did resonate with many.

I'm mostly cutting out a detailed account of the rest she talked about because Olga went a little further with interesting ideas.  The theme of doing a spa retreat, getting massages, eating healthy foods, and probably getting some advise about lifestyle revisions seems sound enough.  As for colonics, maybe not.  I'd rather drink that senna infusion, a powerful laxative, which I also wouldn't do; just eating more fiber and drinking more water would be fine.

Their Facebook page talks a lot more about raw foods workshops and events, really downplaying the standard spa theme (massage, etc.).  It's good they branch out and explore different directions.  My wife loves massages so we're always doing that on vacation, less so related to the Thai version where they bend you around and use pressure points, more the typical oil type.  She trained to do Thai massage--she's crazy; she learns all sorts of things she doesn't need to know, like studying Mandarin--so once in awhile she will do my forearms and hands, or touch up a "monkey fist" in my back.

about 100 photos down their FB section standard spa themes come up (credit)

Digital Detox Asia

The last section was on digital detox, putting your electronic devices away for set periods. Again that's cheating, isn't it, shifting detox to mean something so practical and common sense related as putting the phone down once in awhile?  It wasn't quite that simple.

Again an upcoming event notice (for a yoga retreat Sept. 28-30) might help lead to more on who this is and what they're about.

yoga; that's pretty the theme (different version of their next event notice)

They were selling something (they all were, really), in their case yoga retreats.  That probably would be nice, but you don't need to go on a yoga retreat to turn your phone off for a weekend.  Someone mentioned that you can still buy a "feature phone," Nokias and such.  Apparently that's going to be a new thing now, "digital detox" and buying a non-smart phone.  After that maybe getting land lines will make a comeback, or it will become fashionable to talk to people face to face, or use paper again.  Nah.

Of course the main point works.  We all intuitively know that everyone walking around like zombies staring at small screens is horrible, but it hooks you.  One of the guys recommended not checking messages until lunch. He definitely doesn't work in IT, or any corporate job.


This is where some of the ideas break down; the personal rules and standard practices should be different for a yoga instructor versus a desk bound employee.  The same applies to someone running a spa, or charging what a Bangkok English teacher might earn in a week for a two hour alternative practices health consultation.  Some of all that would relate to healthier, more natural living, to practices people should consider and adapt, and some might just relate to those people not experiencing typical daily demands.

Everyone would live a more natural, balanced life without working a 9 hour work-day with 3 hours of commuting tacked on (the standard Bangkok work-day; unfortunately not a worst case).  Add a couple showers and meals to that and you can either experience normal sleep or time to spend on whatever work-life balance you might achieve, as long as you bang that out.

Initial conclusions

On the way home I couldn't help but consider, what did I learn?  Stop eating sugar and processed food, eat raw fruits and vegetables, drink plenty of water, pay attention to the source of water, take breaks from smart phones, spend some time in nature, do yoga, and skip breakfast.  I do eat a really light breakfast, fruit and just enough starch to allow fruit and tea to digest better, and on the weekends eat breakfast later because that cycle feels more natural.  I was already ok with very limited forms of fasting.  I used to do yoga; it was good for centering for snowboarding.

I suppose it was better than I expected.  Very little actually conflicted with common sense and next to none seemed wrong.  At the short talk summary level all the next level of detail was hard to evaluate.  I suppose longer versions may have offered more details, some probably helpful and useful, and maybe some a bit out there.

They were all selling things, so the next concern might be if those things were really of good value, or if alternatives would provide better options.  Spas and yoga retreats are around.  I'm kind of skeptical of personal counseling about "progressive" health issues and approaches.  For someone on that page, why not.

It would seem easy for people with strong biases on either side to come to the other two opposing conclusions, that beyond the familiar ideas it was all nonsense best avoided, or all clearly useful, practical input that should be embraced.  Without either bias half just seemed like common sense, some interesting ideas came up, and there were only a few gaps.

Thinking it through a little more, about subculture

After giving it more thought it's probably not the right question "which parts of the subject of "detox" are real and useful?"  It's almost not about that.  That's what people are looking for in going to an event like that, on the surface, but underlying that something entirely different seems to be going on.  A story is going to help explain what I mean.


A friend in Thailand is into some of that New Age scope, but selectively so.  He's into yoga, travelling in India, "metaphysics," or at least parts of what people would consider that, and is open to all sorts of ideas that some would consider marginal (aliens are in continual contact with us; that sort of thing).  And running; that kind of fits but kind of doesn't.  I''m not sure he looks the part; his short hair could fit in anywhere, and he doesn't wear clothes that look Indian, as far as I know.  And he's not a vegan.

What difference, one might wonder, if he doesn't make the choice to not eat meat, dairy, or eggs?  According to him that's seen as a critical component of that general lifestyle in the circles he might otherwise be a part of.  To some extent he is completely excluded for that.


The deeper question beyond if detox works or not, the parts of related ideas, is what kind of social sub-group people are really trying to be a part of, and what kinds of buy-in are required for that to happen.

yoga retreats are not an uncommon theme in Thailand (photo credit)

As far as that group goes the most superficial level one could sort through just by looking around.  A lot of people's clothes did look a bit Indian, but most wouldn't stand out anywhere.  Some had evident tattoos (in that picture above a tribal tattoo would seem to work as in-group marker).  Some guys had beards, and wearing sandals fit the general look.  Most could've passed for any working Thai professional.  Doing yoga really would be central, but you can't necessarily see that in an external image.

these cultures would not overlap (credit Little Bangkok meditation group)

I'm approaching all that from a completely different perspective, considering whether I really would want to be any part of all that, not sorting out a form of participation that would be agreeable.  Given how constrained my lifestyle is for the most part it's just not an option; I spend time on kids, not other things.  Tea works as a hobby interest because I can narrow it into where it fits, or drop it for a week, beyond having the beverage with meals.

It makes me think back to what I embraced or didn't embrace when I was in my 20s, and how that played out.  I wasn't joining any groups, or following any teachers; none of it.  Then again I was a stoner into outdoor sports, doing some yoga and being a vegetarian.  Doing the occasional juice fast wasn't a lifestyle choice relating to joining any subculture; back in the 90s people just did all that.


Tea isn't part of what I was doing then (although I was into tisanes, herb teas).  I suppose some people in that event would drink tea, but it seemed to clearly not be a central theme.  Do they tend to drink vegetable juice, as we did back then?  Probably, or maybe not.

This leads to considering how much would be central as adopted practices, to joining social groups related to yoga, natural lifestyle, vegetarian diet, and so on.  What would be mandatory, and what optional?  That must vary.  One branch probably makes it mostly about religion, with others not even touching on that.  The clothing makes for an interesting consideration and marker, and tattoos.

taken far enough any subculture can seem like a caricature (credit)

All of this isn't heading towards any tidy conclusion.  As an expat (foreigner) I tend to explicitly consider how cultures and subcultures work.  Really simple themes tend not to emerge; lots of broad patterns play out in different ways.  It's interesting living in a relatively international version of a large city to have access to a higher count of those subcultures, but still I'm too busy for much exploration, and certainly for joining in.


Back to the detox idea, what it's basically about, the strength and weakness in the implied definition is that it's about anything that's bad for you.  Even something good for you, like drinking plenty of water, or getting exercise, would be bad for you in the wrong amount.  McDonald's food and potato chips make for the low hanging fruit; of course heavily processed, chemical laden foods aren't generally positive.


Back to the subject of tea (finally), millions of people in Bangkok are drinking RTD (bottled) or powdered, artificially flavored teas every day, not that far off the problematic practice of eating meals out of a 7/11.  Brewing whole-leaf teas with nothing added to them doesn't cost more; quite a bit less instead.  Those are likely to be lower in contaminants, with a potential long list of real health benefits resulting from consuming them.  That short summary raises a lot of issues that are impossible to confirm (the risks and benefits parts), but it's clearly a case of swapping out chemicals for natural food versions.

I don't talk a lot about health issues in this blog because there isn't much to say.  Tea is probably healthy, but mapping that out in detail is problematic.  Even research study evidence tends to vary, and there's a risk of biases initiated by funding for studies affecting the outcomes.  It was interesting to consider some health issues related to the event, and the detox theme, and to think through how it applies to social themes, even though I won't be changing much about my life based on that input.

focusing on that one long term project these days, raising kids