Bangkok Chinatown Dan Cong, compared with Moychay Nanjing Yesheng Dan Cong

 

I'm reviewing a sample of tea given to me by a local Chinatown shop owner, from the K. Mui Kee Tea shop.  I stopped by my favorite shop near there, Jip Eu, to buy tea as a gift for a local monk, for an event, and they were closed due to building repairs on their shop (the roof awning was damaged; a part of it fell).  

that shop owner is so nice, but I'm always visiting Jip Eu instead, since I know them

The tea I bought looked and smelled great, a wild origin black tea, but I don't have any of that to try and review.  But they did give me a sample of Dan Cong, so I'm reviewing it along with a version from Moychay.  Moychay just sent a mix of lots of samplers, as a thanks for helping with some editing, so I'll use them for comparison versions, when it works out.

There won't be any final type description of this Chinatown tea.  Maybe they mentioned a type range, or maybe they didn't.  I think the owner said that it's not Mi Lan Xiang, but I don't remember if he mentioned what it is.  He said that it's from an old plant source, and that it's really high in quality, and he mentioned a price, but I don't remember that.  It seemed high.  It probably should be; it's really good.

Here are the Moychay listing details:

Nanjing Wild Dancong Oolong (Nanjing Yesheng Dancong Cha)  (it's about $38 for 50 grams)

Nanjing Wild Dancong Oolong is an exceptionally rare tea harvested from abandoned old tea gardens and wild tea trees in the high mountains of Nanjing County, Fujian Province. The tea originates from Dancong cultivars that were once cultivated but have since grown wild for several decades, blending naturally with undomesticated tea trees in remote forested terrain.

The tea is hand-harvested each spring in extremely limited quantities—no more than 50 kilograms per year. Locating and gaining access to these trees took years of searching, as the gardens are known only to a handful of locals and remain largely hidden deep in the mountains.

The leaves are picked as one bud with two or three mature leaves and processed using traditional methods: withering, oxidation, fixation, rolling, and drying. The dry leaves are large, twisted, and wild in appearance, with a deep forest fragrance.

When brewed, Nanjing Wild Dancong produces a golden liquor with an arresting aroma—earthy, woody, with hints of tropical flowers and resin. The flavor is intense yet clean, with deep minerality, vibrant energy, and a lasting sweet-bitter balance that reflects the strength of its wild roots. It holds up to long and multiple steepings, revealing its complex, layered personality over time.

That sounds good, but the character seemed in between conventional Dan Cong range and typical good Taiwanese oolong character, maybe closer to the latter.  That's still exceptional, but perhaps not what people seeking out novel Dan Cong experience are looking for.

It's crazy that I'm reviewing two Dan Cong versions without mentioning a type name / fragrance category.  There probably is one, related to the Bangkok Chinatown tea, but that description is a decent reason for why there isn't one for the second.

This might be the black tea I just bought, looking for more background on this Dan Cong.  If that is it that sold for 850 baht ($25) for 175 grams, or 14 cents a gram.  If it tasted as good as it smelled it's a steal at that pricing.  I should give some to another monk, and tell him I need to pinch some to try it for review.

You can get a limited sense of how this is going to go from the dry leaf appearance, which isn't how tastings usually work out.

Review:

K. Mui Kee Tea Wudong Songzhong:  this brews so much darker than the other that a main difference is surely going to be oxidation level, probably coupled with a difference in roast input.  You could see that in the dry leaves; the reddish color base is what oxidized versions would tend to look like, and the dark green with lighter green in the tips is normal for lighter oolong.

I'm not sure the type of this.  It's sort of floral, but at the same time fruity.  It's not exactly like Mi Lan Xiang, although it could be that, and it just happens to express a good bit of ripe peach as well.  [editing note:  I mean it could be that from my limited ability to match the taste; as I recall the shop owner said it's not Mi Lan Xiang, since he mentioned that he sells a lower quality, lower cost version of that, but this is something else].

This form seems perfect, the way that oxidation, and surely some roast, combine to integrate those rich, layered flavors.  The material had to be really favorable to make this, but they also got the processing just right.

Even brewed light, on the first round, it's intense, with a rich feel, and lots of flavor depth and complexity.  It carries over aftertaste effect.  I really should be able to pin down the primary flavor, but may never in this.

Moychay Nanjing Yesheng Dan Cong:  it's a completely different style, of course.  It comes across almost like other forms of oolong, like something out of Taiwan, for being this light.  Intensity is still pretty good, and creaminess is pleasant.  It's not the most type-typical for Dan Cong preparation, but it works.  

Feel is pleasant, and there's a richness and complexity to this too, and even depth.  Flavors are in a much lighter range, but overall intensity is good.  Again the lighter floral range reminds me of Taiwanese high mountain oolong.  A unique and good version of one, but it's still in that range.

People sometimes discuss brewing around a characteristic astringency in Dan Cong, and these aren't harsh at all.  There's fullness to both, but no edge.  I think that relates more to low elevation grown, lower quality versions.

KMK Songzhong #2:  this tastes more like almond this round; maybe it's that flavor type?  It still includes great warm mineral depth, and some degree of floral and fruit range.  It's complex.  There's a pleasant liqueur like character to it, like cognac, brandy, or perfume.  The intense flavor really coats your mouth, as the feel does.  This is clearly a very good quality tea.  I forget the selling price for it but it was quite high, which I suppose is justified, given how nice this is.

M Nanjing:  tones warm in this.  It includes even more mixed floral range, which I can't place.  This might relate to three different flower scents, but one part is most pronounced.  A little of a green wood sort of astringency picks up, but it's so faint that green wood isn't a natural interpretation of it.  Maybe it's closer to spruce pine buds, for anyone who has ever tasted that.  It's like the more vegetal part of sage, which works out to actually be a complex scent and flavor range.

It's difficult for this to compare or compete with the other, related to my own preference, given how much I like that warmer toned, more balanced Dan Cong style.  But within the lighter style this expresses it's good.  It's interesting that it includes creaminess; that's more a different oolong range entirely.

Switching back to the other the perfume-like scent range stands out, and a light form of completely different feel.  A spice like cinnamon might include warm flavors, and it might also affect the feel in your mouth, and this (other Chinatown Dan Cong) is like that.  Not taking a tablespoon of dry cinnamon, I don't mean, but the much milder effect from a good bit of cinnamon being put on toast, of course with butter and sugar.

KMK Songzhong #3:  a little lighter, related to forward flavors, but the depth is as strong as ever.  I'm brewing this quite fast, and could extend the time to over 10 seconds next time, instead of under that.  It's quite pleasant brewed light though, since the flavor is already intense, and the feel doesn't become thin.  Sweetness stands out well brewed light.  

This is so complex that it doesn't really match the more typical one note sort of main flavor effect of Dan Cong.  There probably is one, that I'm not catching, but it expresses a range of flavors.

M Nanjing:  even though I love the other style more this holds its own relatively well.  It's also complex and full, with pretty good aftertaste expression.  Related to my own preference the much lighter flavor tone isn't as nice, but that part could be subjective.  It includes a little vegetal range, which isn't really a flaw, but it's different than the other only hitting positive, integrated flavor notes.  This is still mostly floral in flavor range, with creaminess actually tasting a little like cream.  

KMK Songzhong #4:  it's stronger, brewed stronger, but the perfume like intensity was already good last time.  The feel becomes more structured, and warmer tones stand out more.  A spice-like aspect range is more present, not unlike cinnamon, but maybe broader than that, including more than one spice flavor.  Almond is still present, and it didn't completely drop warm floral and rich fruit range.  All of that is bundled within a narrow and integrated range, even though it's quite complex.  Or maybe it's that it all connects somehow, that it matches and links together.  It's an interesting effect.

M Nanjing:  this is still quite pleasant, not so different than the last round, just a little heavier for being brewed longer.  Again this is in between a conventional high mountain oolong style, and typical Dan Cong.  Maybe just backing off the oxidation level input leads to that effect, but I'd guess in this case the "wild origin" plant type is playing a role.  It's interesting that the wild origin plant seems to taste a lot like a Qing Xin variation, the older set of plant types used in Taiwan.  

later rounds:  I tried these over a number of additional rounds, of course.  Both stayed quite pleasant for awhile, not changing in particularly interesting or unexpected ways.  Feel grew stronger and dryer in the Chinatown version, while the Moychay tea stayed smooth and full until the end.  Both were made from exceptionally high quality tea material, just in two relatively opposite processing styles.

Conclusions:

Now I wonder how much that Chinatown version cost.  $1 a gram pricing is pretty much unheard of locally (the Moychay version was 76 cents a gram, not quite that), so it really could sell for a lot less and still seem expensive, per local norms.  I should ask that shop owner and add it here, after I finish this post, as a later edit.  

That tea probably is worth at least $1 a gram; good Dan Cong is in high demand, and that version is pretty far up the scale.  If it's something like $2 that's too much, no matter how good it is, or how old a plant source is, even if that's still a normal market rate.

I've been trying some pretty exceptional teas recently, which has me considering just what it means for a tea to be about as good as a style or type gets.  That last Fu zhuan was amazing, and the two green teas (from Viet Sun and Moychay) were really good.  Even the last Thai sheng and black tea from Wawee Tea were pretty much as good as anything I've had from Thailand, although I think in that case it related more to a match to my own preference than to an atypical quality issue.  Quality level was good, very favorable, but they also happened to be just what I like.

As a sheng pu'er drinker I can sometimes really miss that intensity and general character, when I try these other exceptional versions.  Maybe less so with the Fu zhuan; that depth, complexity, and refinement really transcended the normal type range, for those.  With Dan Cong complexity is often favorable, in spite of what I just said about them tending to taste like one flavor, as they are marketed, but depth and refinement really sets the type apart.  But I still miss the way that sheng hits; it's hard to acclimate to the lower intensity.

Related to the Moychay Dan Cong tasting like Taiwanese oolong, to me, I think some people would find that very off-putting, and for others it could be a main appeal, a draw.  It's in between the conventional style ranges, which is completely unique.  But it's not floral or fruity in the same way Dan Cong often is, including that perfume like aromatic context that can come up.  It traded out that strength for including rich feel, and creaminess, and a different overall balance.  I suppose many people might already know where they stand on lighter versus more oxidized Dan Cong preparation.

Both teas were exceptional, again.  That running theme made it hard to place those recent Chen Sheng Hao sheng pu'er versions, the inexpensive and good value types, which were pretty good, well balanced and enjoyable, but more ordinary.  I can really appreciate ordinary but good tea; to me it's good enough.

Oriental Leaf Jinyang Genshe 2010 Fu brick tea

 

This reviews an exceptional Fu zhuan (brick) hei cha version from Oriental Leaf.  This was sent by them for review (many thanks!).

I've reviewed a number of other versions from them, over last year.  A general theme was making Fu zhuan hei cha from different types of higher than usual tea material, for example from Yunnan Assamica usually used to make pu'er, or from already processed white tea.  

I've never really explored hei cha processing that much here, how it differs from producing other types, or how fermentation is induced through different processing steps.  I read, and mentioned, some background on Liu Bao awhile back, but it was a bit complicated to sort out by simplified summary.  This includes "golden flower" fungus growth, which is regarded as a positive input, but I also don't get into that much in this.

It works to mostly just describe the tea itself, the typical blog review theme.  Which often starts with citing the producer / vendor description and details, as here:

Jingyang Genshe 2010 Vintage Fu Brick Tea | Golden Flower Dark Tea  ($218 for a 468 gram brick, but it is also sold as a 30 gram sample for $17)

In 2010, in the ancient tea-trading hub of Jingyang, Shaanxi Province, master craftsman Jia Genshe 贾根社 pressed this brick using techniques his family has guarded for generations. The "Jingyang Fu Brick Tea making technique" was officially recognized and listed as National Intangible Cultural Heritage of China. This designation reflects the extraordinary skill required to cultivate the Golden Flowers that define authentic Fu tea—a process that historically could only succeed under Jingyang's unique climate and water conditions.

What sets this brick apart is the preservation of an increasingly rare production step: the tea-oil infusion process (熬茶油, Áo Chá Yóu). After the Hunan Anhua black maocha (黑毛茶, Hēi Máo Chá) undergoes initial fermentation (渥堆, Wò Duī) and cutting, it is simmered to extract a thick, concentrated tea liquor. This potent essence is then poured back over the leaves before the flowering stage (发花, Fā Huā) begins. The result is a Fu brick with noticeably richer body and more complex flavor than standard production methods can achieve.

Hand compressed Fuzhuan is easier for the Golden Flower to grow than machine compressed. Since the hand-compressed tea is not as tight as the machine, there will be more space and moisture for the fungus to grow and propagate. Master Jia's entirely handmade approach—from pressing to flowering—ensures optimal conditions for the beneficial Eurotium cristatum to flourish throughout the brick.

So the description offers a good bit of build-up, with more description content in the listing.  And the selling cost of this is considerable, perhaps the highest Fu zhuan or hei cha pricing I've seen.  It would have to be one of the best hei cha versions I've ever tried to justify that.  And it is; this stands above anything else I've experienced within the entire hei cha range.  Surely this represents the high end of Fu zhuan potential, regardless of where it stands within that higher end range.

Mind you the difference between quite good Fu zhuan and a great version could seem narrow, to some.  Their "On Taoism" pressed cake examples were already pretty good, and for people assigning value (and limited cost) as a main selection input they could be good enough.  This tea is something else; it's for people really on that page.  Or buying a sample would provide the experience without the $200+ expense (for a brick version amounting to nearly half a kilogram; that's a lot of material to keep experiencing).

I've mentioned sharing that earlier tea experience, those other versions, with people in tastings (in posts here), and in general essentially everyone who has tried it has found it interesting, and liked it.  I think that relates to why Oriental Leaf is open to sharing tea of this amount and value (which sort of requires explanation, per one take on it).  It could seem like a way to "buy" blogger or reviewer support, to convert a positive reviewer into more of a proactive supporter or "shill" role, but I don't see it as working out like that.  

If I like a tea I communicate exactly the same thing, whether a vendor has sent a sample or else more tea than that.  If I dislike a tea I generally won't cover it, seeing that as an uninteresting story to tell, unless a tea is bad in an interesting way, for example a Lapsang Souchong version is way too smoky.  

I don't end up buying much bad tea, and vendors don't share it with me, so I typically review whatever is interesting enough to write about.  I bought some generic local black tea a year or so ago that wasn't; that kind of thing happens.

Review:

Infusion #1:  of course it's really something, novel, complex, and exceptional.  A rye bread like flavor stands out initially, with lots going on beyond that.  There's a sweetness that might be like honey, or maybe closer to caramel.  A spice tone matches well with the fresh baked bread flavor effect.  I suppose it's like one part of nutmeg, which works out to be a complex flavor.  Feel is full and rich, and it contributes some aftertaste experience already.  Mineral depth is warm and pronounced.

The tea is very clean and full, related to an overall impression.  There is no murkiness or heavy earthiness.  This may well be the best Fu zhuan version I've tried.  To an extent that has to be framed in relation to a personal preference, since that's the final yardstick, but you can also extend that to be an objective conclusion, it just functions in a limited sense as that.  

Editing note:  these notes were written before I read the description, heard anything about the tea, or knew the cost of it, per my standard approach.  I don't go back and edit tasting descriptions to sound more like the product description.

#2:  heavier flavors pick up.  Using a relatively high proportion, maybe 8 grams, relates to this brewing to be strong, even with limited infusion time (maybe 15 seconds this round; not that long, or that limited).  Brewed lighter sweeter, lighter flavors stand out more, and brewed heavier heavy flavors and warmer tones tend to be more of what you experience.  Astringency is stronger when a tea is brewed stronger, but this doesn't include a lot of that.  It has a full feel, and a lot of body, and that's it.

This has shifted from a fresh baked light rye flavor range to a darker bread range, on towards pumpernickel.  Spice tone is still present, but lighter, and sweetness plays a less pronounced role.  More earthy and mineral range depth stands out.  

You can taste a golden flowers input; that has a specific, characteristic flavor.  Some of what I'm missing, that I'm leaving out in notes, relates to that.  There's a touch of sourness to it, a yeasty sort of effect.  If you've tried to use brewer's yeast as a supplement, or something along that line, it's pretty close to that.  I think most people would like the flavor, and overall effect, but there's nothing necessarily universal about that; some also wouldn't.  People could apply interpretations like cardboard or cured hardwood; that could make sense.  To me it's still in a bread range, more so.

she helped out with the tasting

#3:  I brewed this faster, at less than 10 seconds, to see what that changes.

To some extent lighter tones do emerge, but it's also in the same general range.  There's a catchy flavor set, in the way these particular flavors combine.  A lighter, sweeter sort of caramel tone is more present in this round.  The spice that I identified as nutmeg is probably closer to an incense spice.  Eventually I'll try out burning some decent incense sticks, but until then I'll have trouble placing which ones.  Sandalwood, maybe?  

The feel is exceptional, that fullness, with a good bit of structure, but that's at the same time very approachable.  It doesn't contribute aftertaste in the same sense as sheng pu'er.  Flavor definitely trails afterwards, and feel does, but it's more that the whole experience stays with you.  It's also the feel across your entire mouth, and a residual flavor echo that's not the same as what you taste drinking it.  Mineral tone stands out more, like a rich, warm version of clay.  Some people might think "yuck, clay," but the range of scent tones that clay can express can be remarkable.  I played with clay a lot as a child; it was that kind of a strange, rural, old timey sort of experience of youth, for me.

From there I think other people might "get" other flavors.  One part might resemble pine cones, and another some type of curing hardwood bark.  It tastes a little like beeswax.  There's a lot of depth and complexity to both the flavor and feel experience ranges.

#4:  I'll go back to brewing this around 15 seconds; I think it will do well more fully extracted.

Spice tone stands out a bit more.  It's hard to say what spice; it's complex, so really more than one thing.  The main part is along the line of sandalwood.  I suppose this tastes like how you'd expect the "spice melange" in Dune to taste.  Let's check that:

In Dune, the Spice Melange is consistently described as smelling and tasting like bitter cinnamon. However, the experience is highly subjective; characters note that it never tastes exactly the same twice, taking on complex, life-like variations that can induce mild euphoria.

Because "melange" translates to "mixture" or "blend" in French, many culinary interpretations suggest it relies on cinnamon as a base while weaving in notes of nutmeg, cloves, and ginger. The dynamic flavor profile is also frequently attributed to a "learned-flavor reaction," where your body recognizes the substance as life-enhancing and interprets the taste as intensely pleasurable.

(with the AI sampling that last part from here)

One part of this does taste like clove, but it's a very soft, rich part of the entire clove flavor range.  Maybe the spice depth isn't unlike ginger too, but again there is no strong, spicy edge.

Aftertaste is quite pronounced, probably a little stronger for brewing this stronger.  That sandalwood sort of effect really carries over.

# 5:  feel is changing, more than flavor tone, but it's also both.  It's still rich, full, and approachable, but a bit more edge enters in, a trace of dryness.  That aftertaste effect also sort of builds up on you, over lots of rounds.  You could always drink water between rounds, or some neutral food, like a rice cracker, to get it to dispel, but it's a pleasant effect.

This feel and flavor will continue to evolve; this tea is far from finished.  But I only have so much patience for taking notes, and I drank some of sheng versions left over from yesterday before starting this, with breakfast.  Breakfast was pretty exceptional today, but also kind of normal for me:  eggs with amaranth (Thai or Chinese spinach), lychee, left over pastry (egg tart and taro with latticed danish), and a small local donut.

In drinking the last of this round it again occurs to me how clean in effect this is.  For listing all of these relatively earthy or warm vegetal flavors you might expect it to be a little harsher, but it's clean and light in tone (compared to some flavors being a little heavy).  Feel is rich and full but not harsh.  Maybe related to aging input settling out rougher edges?

Conclusion

There isn't too much to add; I really liked the tea.  Flavor complexity, depth, intensity, feel, and refinement were all very positive.  Novelty was great; some other similar teas I've tried could include comparable individual aspects from this, but nothing else has come close related to pulling it all together.

I guess from there I can get back to value issues.  Fu zhuan tends to be inexpensive, and those earlier versions seemed like middle-range pricing to me, on a somewhat higher level than might be most typical ($38.50 for 190 gram cake, kind of in sheng pu'er range, relating to a $70-some 357 gram cake).  

But the most "ordinary" and low cost Fu zhuan tends to include a number of limitations, eg. moderate flavor intensity and complexity, a limited amount of off flavor range (earthiness, tasting like less positive forms of clay), rougher feel, etc.  I think that's a great place to start hei cha exploration, but eventually people might naturally want to try better versions.

Maybe citing an earlier experience will clarify this, from this post in 2017:  Yi Qing Yuan factory Hunan Fu brick tea with golden flowers

That tea sounds fine, and somewhat comparable, but from that description it doesn't sound like it's on the same level.  The tea was from Yunnan Sourcing, but they don't still list it (of course), and instead of that being from 2009 they seem to mostly only list 2018 and 19 versions now (so still a comparable age as that had been then, 8 years old).  Eight years probably does settle out quite a bit of the rougher edged range of a lot of hei cha, but 16 is probably better, for a more complete transition cycle.  

That review includes a bit on what golden flowers are (the fungus); I was doing more with looking up and including such background back then.

To be fair it's hard to place my 2017 perspective against my current exposure to hei cha, and a broad range of teas.  I was new to the range then, and I've tried a good bit since, but have focused more on pu'er.  This was written mostly to communicate the aspects as I experienced them, instead of placing the tea within a range of other Fu zhuan hei cha that's out there, but a little discussion of that seemed in order.

at a local Bangkok convention center (Queen Sirikit)

Connor Murphy: death of an eccentric looksmaxer

 

Connor Murphy, a controversial Youtuber and fitness guru influencer, died recently, under unfavorable circumstances.  Any circumstances are unfavorable, if the end result is someone no longer being around, but he experienced some sort of manic episode, was pursued by the police, swam into a deep pond beside his own home, and drowned.

He had been at different stages of mania and instability in videos for a number of years; this won't focus much on that.  I've recently watched a video that cites a lot of Tony Huge, his friend, discussing Conor's instability and later mental experiences, only some of which are covered here.

The part that is most interesting to me is his philosophy of conventional perspective.  Some of what he was saying actually works.  That can be overstated or over-interpreted; he was questioning a lot of aspects of ordinary self-perception and placement in society, so of course his starting points of doing the questioning worked.  Then the conclusions and final positions not so much.  Often his points didn't extend that far, to any developed conclusion.

Before getting into that I'll cover a bit on the more controversial aspects of his final communications, including that he might have killed Leo of Leo and Longevity.  I mention that because he kept mentioning it; many videos include reference to him possibly killing Leo.  I'm guessing that he was involved.  Even though he was mentally unstable it's not the kind of thing one would develop and then keep returning to related to drumming up online views, to position yourself as a likely murderer as part of an online character persona.

Another part relates to why he was unstable, the causes, and the forms it took.  I won't fully develop that as a history, or go into most aspects of it, but it's a big part of who he had came to be.  He did a lot of different drugs.

This source I'll work with is a long form, relatively unedited video (or it seemingly is a lot of what he communicated in several video interview sessions, but of course there is no way to evaluate what was edited out).  Before getting into the "did he kill Leo" part another topic works well to place where he was.

Injecting gold

In a recent video Tony Huge, separate from the other already mentioned, his friend that also hosted Leo, where Leo had been killed, claimed that Connor had been injecting himself with a lot of colloidal gold, or gold dust, and that his may well have played a role in his mental issues over the past month or so.  Both Tony and Connor claim that he experienced noteworthy, clearly linked benefits from injecting himself with gold (or in this video he only claims to have consumed it, but that part isn't clear), but there's no way to evaluate that.

Let's start with what he claimed himself in this interview, posted by Your Mate Tom, under the title Connor Murphy’s Final In Depth Interview | In His Own Words:

Well, in the past, I made colloidal gold. You have you ever heard of colloidal gold? Colloidal gold? No, no, no.  Right. So, man, there's just this really intriguing study where they give patients like colloidal gold and their IQ increased by like 30%. Or something's precedent like that. It just hasn't really been studied enough, but I want to do an experiment. I'm a biohacker. I used to ingest I used to make my own colloidal gold and then ingest it and I felt some benefits, but I didn't feel as as much benefits as I thought. And trough the process, I do it through electrolysis. 

I can show you the setup because I almost have the the setup ready again. We're getting the last part of the setup here, but uh it's like a copper, okay, a copper wire and then some sort of gold and send an electrical charge and it it makes this red colloidal gold uh in the water. And I was also afraid of like the potential of copper toxicity if the copper was leeching into the water. Turns out you don't even really need the copper in the water. I don't think you can actually leave the copper out the water... 

The idea in the Tony Huge video was that Conor was converting jewelry directly into gold to be injected, or perhaps consumed, so who knows what alloys were present in that gold.  It didn't sound like Conor was having it tested, from that, so it could include lead, or any number of other metals, or contaminants.  He may not have been tracking an intake dosage closely, which is all the more problematic, if you don't know what you are consuming.  

Here is Google's AI input on that:

Eating gold is a long-standing culinary tradition used primarily to garnish high-end desserts, cocktails, and sushi. While it is non-toxic, there are a few important details to know about consuming it:

Purity is Key: You should only ever ingest high-carat gold (23-24k). Less pure forms of gold are mixed with other metals, like copper or nickel, which can be toxic or cause adverse reactions.

Biological Inertness: Because pure gold does not oxidize, corrode, or react with stomach acids, it poses zero health risks in moderation.

Potential Hazards: You should never attempt to eat raw jewelry or loose gold flakes not specifically designated for consumption, as they can contain impurities or cause gastrointestinal issues.

But he was talking about colloidal gold, probably even related to injecting it.  Their take on that:

While colloidal gold is sometimes promoted for alleged wellness, cognitive, and anti-inflammatory benefits, there is limited scientific evidence to support these claims. The safety of these nanomaterials largely depends on the particle size and surface chemistry.

When ingested, colloidal gold is slowly absorbed by the intestines and tends to accumulate in the kidneys and other organs. Research indicates that, depending on the dosage, gold nanoparticles can induce long-term changes in cellular gene expression and morphology. Furthermore, they have not undergone standardized safety evaluations for daily dietary intake by major regulatory authorities...

So who knows.  Let's jump ahead to his involvement with Leo's death, and get back to the main theme, philosophical perspective.

Death of Leo (of Leo and Longevity)

8:258 minutes, 25 seconds  ...that's not fair because he [Leo] was a a much deeper character. [than just covering the penis enlargement topic].  

[interviewer] Did you kill him?

[Connor] Uh potentially. I guess that's what people will will try and decide when the when the movie gets dropped. I mean, yeah, you'll see. I I I don't know.

Maybe I was jealous of Leo. Maybe he had a bigger [ __ ] than me. Like, maybe I wanted to be the the foremost expert in penis enlargement. Maybe I was jealous of his relationship with with Tony.  Maybe I wanted to be Tony's best friend.  Maybe I wanted Leo's room. Maybe I wanted to live in the house. I mean, yeah, you could potentially I have some some motives for doing so, but there's no hard evidence. You'll never find my like DNA on the spot or anything like that...

In a somewhat recent video, that is very interesting, Connor makes up a crazy and extreme looksmaxing character, A Day in the Looksmaxxing Life of Mandibleus Zygomidus.  In that he claims that the only time that he "fatally mogged" someone, or killed them, he nearly had his nose broken.  In another recent video, when asked about Leo, he said that for whatever he did to him, which he can't described, he used a gold club, implying that this was the weapon used to kill him.  In several other videos he or his girlfriend indirectly referenced Connor killing Leo.  

It's all so strange.  Only a very unbalanced individual would kill someone and then keep mentioning it, or for that matter not kill someone and then keep implying it.

Let's move on to a more primary context, looksmaxing, before getting into the interesting perspective insights.

What is Looksmaxxing?

[13:50 minutes, 50 seconds]   Well, it's really simple. I mean, it's just well, it's the name is self-explanatory. It's maxing out your looks. Although, see, it should be called looks optimizing. What does maxing out your looks mean? I mean, that kind of has the connotation like people are trying to have an extreme look, which maybe is the case. Maybe sometimes people overdo it, but you're essentially trying to optimize your looks simply because they recognize that looks provide you an advantage in life. And it's something that people have known throughout all of time. I mean, people have been trying to improve their looks like since the beginning of humanity, right? 

But all of a sudden, yeah, it just I guess people are being explicit about it. And it's funny because it's really pissing people off because of course, like if people aren't trying to optimize their looks, then it makes sense for them to criticize people who are because if other people improve their looks, then they're at a disadvantage by comparison... 

It's an interesting point, that everyone who is critical of looksmaxing is really trying to stop others from optimizing their looks, because it makes them look worse by comparison.  So people could, or should, be critical of others getting plastic surgery, and so on.  

He claims that he has had several cosmetic surgery procedures--which is surely accurate--including a hair transplant, transplantation to his eyebrows, and work around his eyes.  It would seem a real stretch for me to feel threatened by some Youtuber looking more attractive than nature had dictated, but then he probably is describing extreme perspectives, including by others involved with commentary, and not just a conventional take.

This is social media based commentary, right?  I might address more conventional changes like chewing gum to expand jaw muscles, whether I see that as positive, or absurd, or whatever else.

He probably used filler injections to cause that appearance, although it could also just be a video filter effect.  From the way his jaw appears in that capture it's probably a filter, or edit; the bone structure of his frontal jaw doesn't look natural, or possible.

In framing that video, and many of his ideas, as an absurd satire of what others propose it all kind of works.  He claims that there is a homosexually oriented aspect to looksmaxing, that it's not always positioned as mainly relating to increasing attractiveness to the opposite sex, for example.  

But all of that isn't a main concern here, it's just interesting that he took it all in those directions.  It doesn't intuitively work, to critique looksmaxing as generally misguided, in relation to setting unclear or conflicting goals, or being absurd in relation to steps taken, or goals that are pursued, and then to also actually take those steps yourself.  

If the end goal is content promotion, and not the actual effects, that makes more sense, but then doing something as risky and unconventional as consuming homemade colloidal gold, derived from jewelry, or injecting that, again conflicts with that goal.  Critiquing a popular theme for views works, but extending it into your own less safe, practical, and reasonable range doesn't.

Extending this to self-image:  Looksmaxxing or Body Dysmorphia

His own interview content introduces this from one perspective:

And what's the line between looks maxing, right? Improving your your aesthetic and body dysmorphia.  Oh, yeah. Well, that's the thing.  There's not a a fine line. It's not black and white, right? It's it's a spectrum. I think there's I mean, there's a healthy level of discontentment in with life in general, right? If you're just complacent, you're never going to improve. A lot of people think that self-improvement and self-love are mutually exclusive. This is how you get like the fat acceptance movement. They think, "Oh, in order to love yourself, you have to be completely content with precisely who you are." But I think this is like a fundamental misconception of what the self even is.

They think the self is like a noun, but in reality, it's more like a verb. We're an everchanging entity, and we're constantly evolving. We're constantly changing. And so you might as well evolve and change in a positive way and fall in love with the process. And so just because you're improving yourself doesn't mean you don't love yourself. In fact, a lot of people, it's it's ironic because if you're overly attached with who you are and your identity, you're less likely to transform. 

So a lot of these people who won't transform, who won't improve their looks, it's actually because they're more attached to their looks. They think like their look is a fundamental part of themselves. And if they change it, somehow they're becoming a new person that is unfamiliar to them and they don't recognize. And so, no, I think there's a very healthy level of of discontentment, but it's it's not mutually exclusive to loving yourself.  You can do both.

This is actually pretty insightful, and grounded.  It's a shame that all of the parts of what he is saying, and his own internal life experience, weren't all as balanced and positive.

Another point highlights how on a superficial and simplified level what he is claiming works, but it doesn't represent a deep, healthy, or developed worldview:

[interviewer]:  How would you rank in terms of importantness to pick up girls or to attract women? Is it money, uh, confidence, aesthetics? 

[Connor]:  It It's really tough to say because it depends on the girls values as well.

Like some girls value money more, some value status more, some value looks more. It depends on what relationship they're looking for. Generally, a short-term relationship, looks are going to matter more. But a longer term relationship, it's going to be more like money and and status. And it's actually not money. It's actually your ability to generate money. like money is just kind of a proxy for your ability to generate money, right?

You know, like you think it's like your your skills itself is more important than it's a signal for your skills because think about it, man. You could be in a scenario where all of a sudden your money disappears like someone like robs you or like there's like the apocalypse, you're stranded on a deserted island or something happens and you lose your wealth. Like a girl wants to feel safe and she wants to think that even if you lose your wealth, you have the ability to generate wealth. So way less people are going to be some people still will but way fewer women are going to be attracted to some rich kid who just inherited a fortune rather than someone who is like a self-made millionaire.

Lots of those online influencer / guru types tend to present information like this, in a superficial and immature way.  Of course charisma and confidence are important in a relationship, and are attractive.  But this essentially reduces all women down to pursuing either physical attractiveness or financial gain.  He would mention there's more to it in other comments, but it comes across that his take really is that those two factors dominate what women seek, and how relationships work out.  

In all of this interview he never really touches on the theme of an actual romantic relationship, of a short or long term duration, and never uses the term "girlfriend."

Am I wrong to critique that (both parts, that he oversimplifies interactions between people who are dating, and that he leaves out that people are seeking relationships at all)?  Per my experience in more sustained relationships men and women seek out commonality of experience and perspective in temporary or more permanent relationship partners.  Social level ends up mattering, and lots of personal interests, and life direction.  To some extent maybe relationship partners do tend to match on an attractiveness range, or maybe status and wealth trade in to replace that, on the guy's side, but to simplify relationships down to those two factors is a bit absurd.

In knowing of--to a very limited extent--Conor's personal history this makes sense.  He himself claims to have slept with a lot of women outside of any relationship connection related to his physical appearance, in particular his developed muscular fitness.  Maybe he has experienced one or more serious relationships, or maybe he hasn't.  Tony Huge mentioned Connor experiencing a problematic breakup in one video; maybe a main experience with that theme was negative.

Him living in Thailand and dating a Thai seem to support this theme, that he hasn't experienced mature relationships in the past, and isn't really even pursuing that.  There's no mention of his girlfriend, at the time of his death, in that interview.  It's my guess that she was the same woman he was accused of assaulting some time ago, in other online video content and news, but I'm not following his story close enough to be confident in that.

I live in Thailand just now, and over most of the last 19 years, but of course I'm not going to characterize typical relationships between Thai women and foreigners.  People often do online, but it becomes nonsensical, painting such broad themes with the same brush in that way.  I've interacted with essentially no women who were or had been working as prostitutes; that kind of thing ends up getting overstated, by a lot.  I don't go to go-go bars, and people living ordinary lives in Thailand have nothing to do with all of that, in general.

Conclusions

There's a lot more covered in that video interview, and again the main interesting aspect to me is how parts of it are grounded, or at times even insightful.  For example, Conor talks about the balance between being self-confident, which is positive and useful, and lacking any self-doubt, which is potentially a problematic sign of mania, or at least of an unbalanced self-image.  He says that self-doubt can help you examine your own actions and perspective, that it's useful, taken in the right ways, and in the right amounts.

Then he keeps saying things that make sense, that are worth reflecting on, and it couples with or digresses into nonsense, over and over.  He had some issues.  Here's another example from that interview:

Chapter 19: False compassion vs REAL empathy

[45:1345 minutes, 13 seconds] You have compassion for other people's suffering, right? You understand and you relate to and you want to mitigate other people's suffering and it's not selective. So when people have false compassion, it's a signal that they're not actually compassionate.

They're just doing it to score uh social points, right? They're trying to place themselves on some sort of moral pedestal. They're just virtue signaling, right? So anytime you see someone compassionate towards one group but hate on another group, they're not authentically compassionate. They're just doing it to score moral social points.

[interviewer]:  Yeah. Yeah. Like whatever whatever's trending in the mainstream right now.

Exactly. And that's just what Kanye was trying to show. It's like, dude, yeah. What the [ __ ] I love everyone. I love Hitler, right? Like I But no, see, you won't say that. You won't say you love everyone because you have false compassion. Like dude, I mean, man, I have Hitler probably suffered a [ __ ] lie. Who who how do you become someone so violent and so evil? Like you have to have a lot of [ __ ] emotional baggage and like psychological turmoil. Like no, I have compassion for him. Like we should have help. Someone should have helped him before he came so evil, right? 

I mean there are so many things in reality that are outside of our control. We were just born into reality this blank slate and then programmed by our environment. a lot of things. I mean, you can't really say that anything is entirely someone's fault because there are so many different aspects of the universe that are impacting them, right? 

Compassion for Hitler; nothing is anyone's fault; this definitely drifted off a bit.  But the early part seems to work, that someone expressing support and concern for a limited group is positive, but when that couples with hate for another group something negative is being included there, some sort of inconsistency.

I'm not sure how much we can directly learn from what Conor had been expressing.  It's all interesting to consider, if also experiencing some raving nonsense isn't a problem.  He probably would have did well to question a lot of things, a lot of conventional perspective, without so much drug use, and without injecting himself with or consuming a lot of gold and other mixed metals.  

Which makes it a strange cautionary tale.  Some people are doing massive amounts of drugs, to help them gain self-awareness, as discussed in this Reddit "Psychonaut" group, but in general that's a fairly extreme approach, that doesn't map back to what most ordinary people experience.

An entire tangent I've not mentioned here is about Connor supposedly experiencing super-powers (again mentioned in this video about Tony Huge:  Connor Murphy's Friend Exposes Experiment That Killed Him).  That claims that the gold experiments essentially caused his mental problems (the worsening of those), in effect killing him.  Maybe.  Tony talks about potential psychic "superpowers" in there but doesn't get around to mentioning any examples that make any sense, about heightened awareness and such.  

In an odd interview section with Connor, and Tony, he is describing how AI became omniscient, and how a benign cabal of wealthy people controlling everything planned to use Connor to transmit total self-awareness to everyone, turning this reality into a heaven realm, which has been partly enacted related to cellular alterations caused by vaccines.  It's all pretty crazy.  One wild part is that Tony was on board with a lot of that, but couldn't buy into the wealthy group of people who control everything being benign, and looking out for everyone's general interests.  But a lot of the rest could work?

I'm not sure that a lot of this tale of madness is up to the pragmatic level of "cautionary tale."  But to me it's still interesting.