What 5 days of fasting feels like

 

Not long ago I wrote about fasting basics and some more detailed approach, here, but it occurs to me that there's another dimension that's harder to describe.  Fasting is a unique experience.  It's hard to just describe what hunger is like, once you acclimate, and the form changes.

Of course this has nothing to do with the theme of why to fast, and not all that much with how to do it, but it does overlap with that.  That earlier post was on the latter, and it's hard to pin down what research says, and not as reliable to convey hearsay or first person accounts of benefits.  I think I'm mentally clearer as a result of the practice, for example, but who knows how to place that.  Maybe I'm not, at all.  Maybe ramping up exercise or improving diet caused that, and there is no connection.  Or maybe I lose my mental faculties and don't know it.

So let's run through some parts of what it's like to fast instead, which will cover before and after acclimation.  I'm only having the latter experience now, because I've fasted for at least two months so far, in total.  

I try to fast 4 times a year, at 5 days each, and I'm on day 5 just now, not so many hours away from wrapping it up, at 4 days and maybe 19 hours.  I "call it" early because I fast from one dinner time to the one 5 days later, so for me it works better to "only" fast for 4 days and 22 hours or so, and if it works out to 20 or 21 that's fine too.  Otherwise I'd have to eat that first meal not so long before sleeping, which wouldn't be ideal.  I usually end up drinking milk after dinner the day before a fast, the last food to clear.

Reading back through those last ideas one might think that 5 days of fasting should really be 5 days and 6 nights, so really 5 1/2 days as clock time goes.  Maybe I will try breaking a fast the next morning instead at some point.  The mental pressure of fasting for "only" 5 days is already a bit to get through, though.

Fasting experience themes

Hunger:  the main factor, maybe.  Early on, for the first 2 or 3 trials, your body is shocked by the experience, and hunger is intense.  Physical cravings are coupled with what people call "food noise," repeating thoughts of eating.  Your body releases plenty of ghrelin, a hunger related hormone, so you keep producing digestive fluids, and experience stomach gas and discomfort.  Or at least that's my guess for why it feels like that.

After 4 or 5 fasts the experience completely changes, and that high degree of hunger largely drops out.  But you're still hungry.  It just takes on a feeling of emptiness, that runs in the background, so that if you smell food you really want it, but so that you can go a few hours without thinking about having not eaten.

One might naturally consider what they could drink to lessen the hunger experience (eating doesn't apply; pretty much no one ever eats paper or some other calorie deficient input).  It's normal for people to drink coffee, tea, or herb tea, and some drink diet sodas.  

I've had one diet soda in the past 5 days, a diet Strawberry Cream Pepsi.  It doesn't seem to change much, but I don't drink much of that.  I've had tea every day, and herb tea 3 of the days.  This time I started in on some pandan leaf and roselle tea I bought not so long ago, along with lemongrass tea, that I didn't get to.  All of those are common types in Thailand.  I don't use stevia to sweeten any of it, but I could.  

Related to the tea I usually drink shou pu'er or aged white tea, because they're easy on your stomach, but I also had some hei cha (Fu zhuan) and relatively oxidized sheng pu'er.  It would be nice to drink coffee but I'm not acclimated to drinking my coffee black, and that my hurt your stomach.  

I think it helps most to drink a tisane that you tend to drink a lot of, perhaps mostly because it boosts hydration input.  I can drink three 16 ounce mugs of chrysanthemum, and that adds well over a quart / liter to my daily fluid intake.  It's best to try to drink 3 liters of water a day, if you can, but that's a lot to get down.  You need to supplement quite a bit of salts (sodium, potassium, and magnesium; there's more on that in the earlier post), and I'm always struggling to get the intake amount right, and to work through salt water tasting awful, even in a diluted form.

Special hunger triggers:  I need to go to grocery store every time I fast because I let my food supply run out, and need to re-up it, usually on the last day.  Sometimes chance will have me visiting a market or restaurant with others I happen to be with.  In one sense it's not so bad, but in another it is.  Sometimes I'll cook for other people, and that is a different level of exposure.  Your digestive system can seem to turn back on, even when you just smell food.  

At worst that will lead you back to the earlier phase of stomach growling, that you tend to only experience early in fasting trials.  I just went grocery shopping on day 4, taking my mother-in-law to a store, and it was a little like that.  But even that level of exposure you acclimate to.  Cooking not so much.

Stress:  this is the other part of the experience of hunger.  It feels like an extra underlying stress, to me not completely unlike what extreme jet lag feels like.  If your normal stress baseline isn't bad it's no problem, but when other stressors enter in it can be too intense.  It's not hard to be productive when you fast, and that deserves it's own section, the extra mental clarity.  Even walking a lot or light exercise is fine.  But getting it all to balance requires a bit of extra attention.  

For me if other stressors add up too much I'll stop the fast.  The last example that comes to mind is too harsh to cite here, but even if work gets unusually busy it might throw it all off.

Other side effects (dizziness, low energy level, sleepiness):  this probably varies a lot by person, so what any one has to say wouldn't apply broadly.  But I'll include it.  In those first 3 or 4 fasts these negative factors were a lot more to deal with, especially the first two.  That's why I recommend people try period eating first (20-22 hour fasts), then 24, and build up.  I might feel a little dizzy a couple times a day.  Getting electrolyte balance (intake) dialed in offsets a lot of it, but your body seems to also need to adjust to a new range of experience.  If you fasted every other month you might stay well-adjusted to it, but if you let 3 or 4 months go between fasts you might end up adjusting again.

I don't really feel low energy level now, which is strange.  I've been walking 10,000 steps a day for all of the 5 days.  Typically I don't try to do much with losing weight, fasting for other reasons, but since I've climbed to 81 kg (178 pounds), up from 74 kg (163) I'd like to get that to drop again.  My blood pressure has been running high, and it might help.  I've been swimming a lot over the past year, and keep on adding a little extra muscle, so it's not that much fat gain, but it's some.

Lots of other potential side effects could be concerning.  If my electrolyte balance runs low I'll feel mild cramping, mostly in my calves, and that's not good.  That leads back into a longer and off-topic discussion about how hard it is to dial in an optimum electrolyte intake (sodium, potassium, and magnesium).  It should be easy, figuring out how much you need by trial and error, mixing up a diluted batch of that with water, then drinking that over the day (and taking magnesium by pill / tablet, because you need much less).  It's not so simple.  Some of that is probably user error, that I make it harder than it needs to be.  I'm back to just drinking some salt mix a few times a day, mixing it up without measuring it out per day, not using that more standard approach (standard within "fasting circles").  

This Reddit group is what I experience of that online discussion; it all requires some interpretation, and some extreme views come up, but that's normal for social media.  Note that the high end of their fasting wiki recommended electrolyte intake range is an awful lot of salt (or had been; per this following citation it's the opposite now); I have no idea how that could work out.

I take that back; in the past that wiki recommended a high end range of at least 3 grams each of sodium and potassium, and now it's a fraction of that.  There was a "snake juice" recipe for that daily mix for people to drink, and they've deleted that.  Lots of people had complained the high end was way too high, or maybe even the relative average, and maybe moderation staff changed on the page, and the guidance opinions they wanted to share with them.

This is the second version of that advice in two days; I cited it from yesterday (Feb. 15) and it was completely different.  Just keep in mind it's a rough guideline, not a final answer.  Individual requirements and tolerance for dosages would vary.  

One part that was interesting, in past versions of advice there in the r/fasting Electrolytes 101 wiki page, was that you can use either sodium chloride or baking soda, (sodium bicarbonate), and that food grade epsom salts can be used for magnesium input.  There is endless discussion there on what is the best magnesium compound form to supplement.  Maybe glycinate is recommended most, but I use magnesium oxide, because it's cheaper.  The concern is laxative effect.  Magnesium that is absorbed too quickly will cause that, so the compound form matters.  That's what laxatives often are (like milk of magnesia).

mental clarity, positive side effects:  mental clarity is about it for positive changes in the short term.  Even that comes and goes.  There are flashes where I can really get a lot done, and see complicated themes much clearer than I normally would.  My subconscious mind is also in on it; my dreams have picked up a really novel clarity and complexity over the last 3 nights (the first night I had eating hours prior).  

In one dream I dreamt I had accidentally broken the fast by eating, then woke up to realize it was a dream, but woke up in another dream where I experienced that.  I had an interesting exchange about child rearing practices with a fictional character in one last night.  I suppose the waking clarity is more meaningful and impactful.

I think the clarity extends to be a main positive effect from the fasting.  Maybe I'm also experiencing some aging effects less, but this is where it gets hazy.  My hair has returned to mostly colored since taking it up; I've lost the few grey hairs I had, except for very few around my temples, less than 10.  It's strange seeing a hair that's two colors, that had been grey and returned to brown, but I've experienced that.  I'm 57; I really should have greying hair now.  I don't care much about the aesthetic side, since I'm married, and it just doesn't matter, but it's an interesting change.

a visa renewal selfie from last month; you can see some grey hair

More on the vague side, I think that I have more energy when I run now, from greater "metabolic flexibility," or ability to use fat as an energy source.  Who knows; it would be easy to imagine that.  Or training experience tends to change in those kinds of ways over time. 

I think for many a main positive effect is a reduction of "food noise," and an ability to manage diet better.  My diet was pretty good to start out with, and I never snack that much, but I've used the fasts as resets, to make minor positive adjustment.  I keep going back to eating ice cream, and some chocolate, but the overall balance shifts.  It's much harder in the US than in Thailand; when Ben and Jerry's is on sale what can you do?  

I eat more fruit and vegetables than just about anyone now, and prefer that basis for my diet.  I eat some meat, to keep up protein intake, to adjust for exercising a good bit, but I eat nuts as a snack, a good bit of eggs and dairy, and use soy or pea protein shakes as a supplement.  

All that is a bit beside the point; the idea is that it's easier to improve your diet and change habits after a reset, of sorts.  For me I can only make minor changes each time, and if I try to shift too much after a fast it won't work.

risk:  I don't think much about this, but it's worth considering.  What could go wrong?  If your electrolytes get too far out of balance then lots of things could, up to and including having a heart attack.  It's important to get that dialed in as fast as possible, and probably gradually acclimating to fasting makes sense, even though it's more common for people to get the idea to try 3 to 7 days from an online video, and just go for it.  

The problem I do experience with dizziness could be much worse.  In the past 5 days I've stood up and felt light dizziness two or three times, which is pretty moderate.  It's something to keep an eye on.

The main risk is that if you ingest a lot of electrolytes at one time then you will experience diarrhea, even if you haven't eaten in days.  It's that "don't trust a fart" theme.  Then that carries over to "re-feeding;" if you eat low quality food to re-start eating you'll experience that for a couple of days.  

I've only tested that once though, and that was my experience.  I usually eat a burger and fries for a first meal, which sounds pretty low quality, but if you use good ground beef or pork (we don't eat beef much in Thailand), good bread, fresh potatoes or sweet potatoes for the fries, and some vegetables (tomato and spinach, usually), then it's not low quality food.  Of course most people who fast use an even more sensible approach, and eat different things in stages.  

Later editing note:  I ate a burger and fries again, yesterday, and my body digested it in 4 hours or so.  Maybe because I was still hungry and ate some yogurt, a little chocolate, and a bowl of cereal some hours later?  Or maybe looking forward to ending the fast too much prompted more rapid digestion.  What works would always vary by individual anyway.  The riskier "refeeding" cases relate to much longer fasts, well over a week in duration.  Then just winging it wouldn't be safe.

talking about fasting:  this is a bonus tangent; that pretty much already covers fasting experience.  In fasting circles people usually recommend keeping fasting experience a secret, especially during fasts.  Some people react negatively, of course.  In one online story an HR department told the person to start eating, not to fast.  People can be judgmental.  I don't talk much about it, but I don't avoid it either.  If people have problems with accepting someone else not eating, or a life practice they see as absurd, and probably harmful, then that's on them.

You can never really fully explain it.  People can only experiment with fasting and make of it what they do, for themselves, and that would vary by person.  It wouldn't be for everyone.  For some the negative side effects would be a complete deal-breaker.  For others acclimation, that I've been describing, might never seem to happen, even though it's my guess that within 4 or 5 trials most people would see negative aspects reduce.  And then a more primary point, for many there just wouldn't be any point to it, if they're not trying to lose weight, and see the health benefits as possible but not a given, and perhaps unlikely to occur.

I first tried out fasting, as an adult, because I met a guy who claimed he did it for spiritual reasons.  That's not entirely right; in an earlier life phase we would do multi-day juice fasts as some sort of cleanse / detox.  It made more sense in that life context.  I fasted for the very first time at the age of 10 or 11, passing 24 hours, but not fasting to my goal, 36 hours, or one complete day and night after waking.  I don't remember why I did that.  

Then I "fasted" a lot cutting weight as a wrestler in high school; I would go as long without eating as I needed to in order to make a competition weight.  Our team was really strong, and I didn't have the experience to be above average (I wrestled for 2 years), so I had to slot in at varsity wherever I could beat the other guys competing.  Good times!

So not eating for weight loss could work, and those other reasons may or may not be appealing.

Does tea attract a certain type of people?

 

A Reddit post just brought up this theme (here, Does tea attract a certain type of people?).  It's a great question.  Their speculation included adding this, cited in its entirety because this framing is really helpful:

I drink a lot in tea rooms and like to just sit and listen to people talk. Mostly there's a certain type around me though. Students, hippie people, artists, long-haired men, older liberal arts professors etc. I've never had anything like that happen in a coffee shop. Do you also feel like tea is attracted to a certain culture, that maybe goes against consumerism as opposed to people who drink coffee?

I commented this, and I'll add a little more here:

It is appealing to a range of different people, but it might not be a broad range. I've been writing a blog about tea for 11 years, and active in tea groups for longer, meeting people locally who are into tea, and this theme keeps coming up.

That list works for a start; hippies and tea kind of pair naturally. For some reason 30 or so year old guys working in IT can connect with tea, in plenty of cases. My guess is that it's easy to burn out on overdoing it with coffee, and there's a lot of novel experience to be had with tea, and a lot to learn. The "figuring it out" aspect can be appealing, to some.

People with somewhat liberal inclinations, who aren't necessarily hippies, can also naturally connect with tea. It helps being into nature themes, Eastern or foreign cultures, and to some extent aesthetics, since those are subjects that can overlap.

More conservative but open minded, typically older individuals can also get the appeal. For this approach point the exclusivity might connect, more than foreign cultural association. It's possible to learn, know things, and experience things that aren't really easily accessible to others; taken in one way tea can connect with status. Ownership of a collection of valuable clay tea pots might be part of the appeal, approached this way. Any of these people could wear an Asian oriented robe while drinking tea, or martial arts type clothing, but for most this wouldn't apply.

Some common characteristics are implied there:  openness to atypical experience, tendency for exploration, cultural openness, and individual connection with one or more parts of the tea experience (flavor / food oriented, tied to Asian culture, problem solving related to learning about types or brewing approach, appeal related to exclusivity, or ownership of hard to access range of goods or teas).  On the aesthetic side someone might want to wear Asian oriented clothing, or in a more common form they might just like drinking tea outside in nature.  

Drinking tea can be a meditative experience; coffee is perfect for picking up a to-go drink that travels well, and for one range of tea experience spending a half an hour or an hour appreciating multiple infusions of an exceptional version is a main point.  It's easy to see how aesthetics and other factors could adjoin that.

(also included in that post as a comment):  

At tea tasting last month in Bangkok, with people from all over the world. they didn't share one theme in common (besides liking tea), but openness to new experiences and cultural expression seemed common. No one really represented the "hippie" type, but two people covered some limited aspects of that general range (no, not the woman wearing a scarf).

One interesting tangent of all this is how it's natural for people who are into tea to expect some degree of shared experience, and perspective.  It seems like all "tea enthusiasts" go through making this assumption, then probably adjust it later on when they realize that it really does apply, in part, but then to some extent it also doesn't.

I never fully addressed the initial point that people into tea might oppose consumerism, which the OP linked to coffee interest, the person who initiated that group discussion.  Indirectly I rejected it, saying that one sub-segment of people into tea actually lean into purchasing exotic, costly tea types and teaware, using purchasing and ownership as a status symbol.  But at the same time that initial opposition to consumer culture kind of works, for many others.  People into tea tend to want to own a limited, basic set of gear for brewing a couple of different ways, and then it's less common for that to translate into a cycle of continual collection.  That does come up, but not for most.  Pu'er enthusiasts tend to collect the actual tea, since that type changes and can improve with age.  

Let's consider a limited example, from someone in that earlier picture who is one of my absolute favorite "tea friends."  I'm talking about Huyen, in Vietnam; this post works as well as any for an introduction to who she is, even though it's a bit dated now, and there's more to tell.

So what are we looking at here?  Obviously they collect teaware, and are into the aesthetic side.  But to me this doesn't represent a status-oriented pursuit of self-definition, a way to place themselves above others who also like tea, by owning things.  They are unusually into the aesthetic side of tea experience.  This didn't stem from a somewhat recent urge to collect that tea gear, versus focus on the experience; their family connection to tea goes way back.  

They don't share that much in common with American liberals though, related to the generality framed in the original post question.  That US left / right liberal / conservative divide wouldn't even be familiar to them, in the same sense it is to Americans.

Next one might wonder how much difference it makes preparing tea in this sort of teaware, versus using a very basic set-up.  Use of clay pots is functional, and it does change things, so that part isn't mostly aesthetic, even if partly so.

The aesthetic part of the experience adds a layer of function, I would expect.  When I mentioned that many people love combining tea experience with an outdoor setting I meant that it changes what you experience, the tone of it, how it feels.  If I drink tea outside, and I often do, on a cool and pleasant day it's quite different than having it at the dining room table.  Birds, a breeze, plants, natural sunlight; all of these add a slightly different dimension.  The same must be occurring in that comfortable and aesthetically pleasing tea room, in that photo.

This might come across as a little odd, but Huyen's family isn't smiling for that photo, they are expressing how they feel at that moment, and typically seem a lot more relaxed and joyful than just about anyone I've ever met with online.  And of course I meet Huyen in person from time to time; she's in the other picture before that, and in others I'm sharing here.  I don't think all that tea gear brings them this joy, but their lives seem to integrate in a positive way.  They seem radiant.  My take is that it stems from living in sync with their own core principles, and appreciating the connections they have with others, and with varying life experiences.  Surely tea is a part of that.  

Let's go a little further, with another photo example:

Huyen again!  And Seth, another good friend, at the bottom.  This was a meetup at our house, appreciating interesting teas in an outdoor setting (using really basic teaware).

This reminds me of a part of the initial intro to this topic, not addressed specifically there, about discussion forms or range that might go with drinking tea (where that intro was instead about the people doing the talking).  We sometimes discuss a lot about the actual teas, and I've written about these meetups in this blog, and cover some of that, but more often it's just personal discussion, about background, perspective, life events, and so on.  Politics comes up, but discussion tends to steer back off that relatively quickly, as a relevant subject that's not any more interesting than others.  

I guess that it's not so different than when anyone meets for any reason, to talk about anything.  But the shared perspective and experience theme somehow stands out, that travel themes come up, and cultural issues, philosophy and religion, and so on.  I'm sort of implying that everyone has more broad interests and experiences than average, but that's not really what I mean.  It's that these layers of experience seem to come to light, and to be seen as novel and interesting, where something like more mundane travel experience could just be about sharing having had experiences, without peeling back the layers of what those tended to mean.  

Why is an old Laos night market experience novel and appealing, maybe different than a modern Bangkok version of the same thing?  Hard to say, but one could speculate, and share perspective on that.  It's something about feel, and historical context experienced in the present, about a unique setting, and a local culture.

that's Korea; it's completely different

I have a photo with baby Keoni in it just like this (a Luang Prabang market; photo credit)

There's an inclination many travel-oriented tea enthusiasts share to seek out the original, earlier, more authentic tea experience.  It brings people to tea production areas, and old sections of remote Chinatowns, to old shops and tea houses.  

There is novel perspective and deep history out there.  But eventually all of that seems to connect people back to their own present-day life experiences, later on, after they process all of that.  They see that it's all about appreciating the moment, and connections with others, or to a place, or natural environment.  It's about the present continuing and extending the experiences people valued in the past.  It's this journey that can be particularly interesting, to share with others, and to hear of their version of it.

some people are living embodiments of older tea traditions; I see Cindy in this way

This reminds me of some of my own starting points; I'll share a couple here.  One early intro came from a work trip, a visit to Shenzhen, China, seeing a Gong Fu tea presentation at an IT product demonstration area there:

That may not have been the most authentic presentation of that cultural background, perhaps packaged and adjusted just a little, used as background for that other main sales scope theme, but most of what they shared was completely genuine and valid.

the Wonosari tea plantation, on Java, Indonesia. 

I don't travel specifically related to tea, doing family trips instead, but I have seen it growing a few times.  That kind of experience and connection could be especially meaningful to tea enthusiasts.  In that area shown in the photo, in Java, Indonesia, it ties back to the older Dutch history, and on to what modern people experience, and how their tea culture is currently changing.  As tea culture is transitioning everywhere, and many aspects of many local cultures are.  Tea related experience can make for an interesting lens to view those layers of changes through.

Let's take this in a more controversial direction before closing; there can be a darker side to cultural transitions.  All sorts of people would love all sorts of travel experiences, and older cultures and history can end up being packaged for consumption in all sorts of ways (as tea history was in an IT equipment vending demonstration center).

This represents Polynesian cultures being interpreted and presented for appreciation in a popular Oahu, Hawaii based theme park.  Looked at one way there is nothing controversial or questionable about this; these parts of those local traditions are very well-grounded in earlier and relatively recent history.  But this could seem like a caricature of those forms and images, to others, as an example of appropriation.

It's definitely presented for-profit, which isn't necessarily problematic, but that opens the door to a possible tendency to package what works well, maybe even adjusting that content a little, and skip over parts that aren't so relatable.  Did colonization destroy some of that earlier cultural experience and expression?  Surely it did.  This park is owned and ran by Mormons; I suppose that framing doesn't help.  They recruit younger Polynesian adults to work in the park, which sort of helps, but in one sense that's better and in another potentially worse.

I'm not saying that tea history is being obliterated while being re-packaged for Western consumption, but history and culture is always being overwritten, to a certain extent.  Hopefully tea exploration, and especially tea tourism, takes on forms that continue to value what really occurred in the past, and honors and preserves the modern living cultures.  This is the kind of thing I tend to find people at tea meetups most interested in discussing; how what came before translates into interesting experiences and perspectives that are available now.

New to the tea world! Any suggestions?

 

This title is taken from a Reddit post title, which states an obvious, repeating request, that turns up there a few times a week on r/tea.  They could just program a bot to respond that this is asked multiple times a week, so scrolling back through posts, even without searching, would turn up another half-dozen related threads.

I've been considering writing a basic, thousand word length answer to this question, so why not.  Years ago I wrote about this same post theme already, here, but that might've been based on a less "starting from scratch" perspective, more about moving from owning a dozen boxes of tea-bag teas into better loose tea.

that person's starting exposure (from the Reddit post; they said this):

I got myself one of those tea/fruit infuser bottles. I know loose leaf is probably the best way to go but I seen videos where it seems like you have to brew like 3 times over for that cup of tea. So I’m wanting to get more info and maybe places to look to get a good sampler to expand my pallet. But again besides tea bags that’s all my knowledge I have.  (For context celestial brand of green tea peach, hibiscus tea seems like the only ones I have gotten and often drink),

So they're kind of starting from only having tried Lipton before, and that herb tea / tisane; that comes up a lot.  This won't get too far into explaining what Celestial Seasonings herb blends and tea and herb blends are all about (both highly processed material in tea bags, essentially flavored tea).  That's a decent range to start on, but it's not "real tea."  

It's a really minor point but it's palate, not pallet; one is your sense of taste, the other is a wooden frame structure used in shipping and warehousing, and a pallete is an artist's range of paint colors that they're working with.

Real tea is any processed variation of a Camellia Sinensis plant, of variety Sinensis or Assamica.  It's generally in these broad type ranges:  black tea, green, oolong, white, and hei cha, with pu'er either a type of hei cha or related to it.  People tend to include yellow tea but you can skip over that; it's just partly fermented green tea, steamed and left to change some.  There's also no need to worry about oxidation levels or roast inputs early on; later you can sort all of that out more.  Drinking flavored teas or teas mixed with herbs is fine, but I'm not covering that here.

a current favorite Thai black tea; not all that similar to Lipton

initial types to explore:  people in discussion threads always suggest what they are into, so there probably is no clear answer to this.  Different answers work for different reasons.  One response is to get into better quality tin teas, like Harney and Sons (for blends and flavored teas, or some plain teas), or Ahmad (for Indian teas).  

I usually suggest flavorful, easy to brew, broadly appealing types, like light rolled oolong (like Tie Guan Yin), or Dian Hong (Yunnan black tea).  For some people shu pu'er is easy to approach and appealing, and for others it's way too earthy.  That and well-roasted Wuyi Yancha (Fujian oolong, like Da Hong Pao or Shui Xian) both make for a good cross-over from coffee experience, matching parts of the flavor.  Shu pu'er is earthy and has depth and rich feel like coffee, it's just not the same, and highly roasted "rock oolong," Wuyi Yancha, matches up with that roasted effect in coffee versions like French roast.

Then others recommend almost anything, white teas, green versions, other oolong, Darjeeling; whatever they're into.  Sheng pu'er is not a good place to start, a little too intense, bitter, astringent, and varied in character to pick up quickly.  But most of the rest of the range could work.  In general more whole leaf teas are better, representing a higher quality level, and those will be lower in astringency level (less rough in feel, which seems like bitterness to people who aren't clear on the distinction).  But early on seeking out high quality examples doesn't matter as much as trying out different types range, and exploring from there.

2006 Xiaguan tuocha (sheng pu'er); about a decade away from being age-transitioned enough

brewing advice:  there are two types of brewing, Western and Gongfu, and it probably makes the most sense to start using a Western approach.  The limitation with that is that some tea types don't work out as well prepared that way, especially sheng pu'er (the one I said to avoid initially), and high quality twisted style oolong (Wuyi Yancha, Dan Cong).  Really any very broken leaf or flavored tea is better prepared Western style, and a lot of other range works out better Gongfu brewed, but it matters less for some types, and for lower quality teas.

What are the differences in the two processes?  I skipped over that part.  Western brewing is the one teaspoon per cup method (or using about 3 grams per 250 ml, put another way), and Gongfu brewing uses a higher proportion and many short infusions.  People typically brew 6 to 8 grams of tea in a 90 or 100 ml device, using short infusion times (10 to 20 seconds, versus 3 to 5 minutes for Western brewing), and brew a dozen rounds or more.  Or less, if they use a lower proportion; the proportion and timing balance with each other.

a gaiwan and some cups, in a Japanese small bowl style, but Chinese cups can be similar

For someone very early in moving past tea bags just exploring Western brewing would be enough, but if someone, even in that situation, wanted to delve into the whole experience range they could explore both brewing approaches.  That leads to the next topic.

what gear is required?:  you need some way to heat water, and using an electric kettle is standard.  But putting a pan on the stove also works, and for more aesthetic, ceremonial Gongfu brewing people tend to use charcoal and a cast iron kettle device, even indoors, even though that sounds crazy.

a favorite tea friend and her family, with a lot of very aesthetic teaware around

Next you need a brewing device, a teapot, or the equivalent.  Old-style ceramic teapots, like someone's grandmother or aunt would use back in the 20th century, would still work well.  Or glass versions are equivalent, or there are lots of other options for Western brewing.  I use a single-serving, for-purpose ceramic cup and basket device, with a saucer that doubles as a lid.  But I used a French press at work for years, and those work well, and own a glass teapot and tea bottle that are also fine.

basket style Western infuser devices; one I used from a glass teapot's basket insert

For Gongfu brewing there are three main options:  a gaiwan (lidded cup), clay pot (yixing is one well-known clay type), and the Japanese version of a small teapot, a kyusu.  A friend used a small glass teapot, shaped like the traditional Chinese clay versions, that worked just as well, for brewing 100 ml or so at a time.  A gaiwan is a nice option to start with, especially because a basic, fully functional, 100 ml, white porcelain version typically costs about $10 through Western online outlets.  They take practice to use, since you can pour it across your fingertips before you get it, but not very much, and there are lots of online video references about that.

To be clear you can use anything as a brewing device.  You could heat water in a pan, then put the tea in the pan, or brew in one mug and strain it into another.  Other options would probably seem appealing even early on, but the differences are minor.  Later subtle differences do tend to matter, factors like heat retention.

Cups are a complicated subject.  You can use a coffee mug, or small British style teacup, or something plainer and a bit rounder, but it's natural to shift to small Chinese or Japanese style bowl themed cups before very long.  At first setting this aside would work.

sources (where to buy tea):  this is really complicated.  At a local loose-leaf, specialty tea shop, or Chinatown shop works well, but for most people there isn't one nearby.  So it's on to the long list of online vendors different people see as natural starting points.  Yunnan Sourcing is one; a market-style Chinese tea outlet.  Rishi and Adagio are American plain and flavored tea outlets.  Commercial tins or boxed of tea are ok; Ahmad really is decent, or Dilmah is for Ceylon.  

market-style sites can be a bit much; Yunnan Sourcing sells thousands of tea versions

To me buying good quality tea at a good value makes the most sense, and overseas outlets can work even better for good value.  Hatvala and Viet Sun are good Vietnamese options; something like that.  Or Yunnan Sourcing's competitors can work out; King Tea Mall, or Chawang Shop, or White2Tea for pu'er.  Years ago I wrote about producer-direct sourcing options, here, and Wuyi Origin (for Wuyishan rock oolong) is the main option not mentioned in this yet.  It's better to start with more basic versions of teas than they sell.  For people seeking out good quality Wuyi Yancha and Wuyishan area (Fujian) black teas that's the place.

At the next level a lot of different kinds of curator vendors or type-specialists make sense.  Seven Cups is well regarded (a generalist source in the US), or Essence of Tea or Tea Encounter in the UK, again leaning towards pu'er specialization.  Pu'er is a common final-stage type preference, but again I'd try out oolong and black teas first, and maybe dabble in white and green before moving on to that.  Shu pu'er, the pre-fermented type, versus sheng / raw, is approachable--not bitter and astringent--but also quite earthy.

Then the list of decent sources never ends.  I think Liquid Proust is worth checking out (with some emphasis on pu'er; that never drops out).  In the EU Tea Mania is a good small outlet, based in Switzerland, and Moychay based out of the Netherlands is a good Russian market-style vendor.  

To jump ahead to high quality range the Trident Cafe and Bookseller is a great curator option, but again I'd avoid starting out at the top, even if budget isn't a concern.  There's no going up from there, and there's no harm in exploring teas with some quality limitations earlier on, to see how the whole range works out.  If you start out with Wuyi Origin Wuyi Yancha you are ruined for drinking Chinatown shop Da Hong Pao or Shui Xian, it just won't be good enough, and that's an interesting exploration phase to go through.  Learning about typical flaws is part of your experience curve; you lose something giving that up.  Not just something abstract either; it can help you place limitations in other tea types later on.

Chinese online sales is a strange range.  Teasenz is a good example of a Western-style outlet based out of China.  ITea World and Oriental Leaf are newer forms of outlets, focusing a lot on sample sets to get people new to tea introduced (or hooked, more pejoratively).  Farmerleaf is a popular option (based in China), again focused mainly on pu'er, but you can buy great black and white tea from such a source, usually.

teas from different production areas, and related sources:  I've not mentioned Japanese tea; in any list of source references, or any type discussion, most of the range has to drop out, or the discussion runs so long.  Yunomi is a popular Western facing option, and Ippodo is a Japan based larger distributor that's well regarded.

I live in Thailand most of the time (and in Honolulu the rest), and there are good Thai teas, and good Thai sources.  Tea Side is the main Western facing, higher end option, and 101 Plantation works as a way to check out what large scale producers selling directly are like.

And I've glossed over Indian teas.  Golden Tips might be a good generalist source, Gopaldhara is my favorite Darjeeling producer, and you can try Assam directly from a producer from Halmari.  Of course options keep going; there are countless small Indian tea vendors.  Herbs and Kettles is a US based on ran by an online friend.  I would check India-based options before doing too much with US sources though; you can buy teas at volume for not so much if you work around a large shipping cost addition.  Whenever you buy from abroad you just need to buy a bit more to get the lower per-volume rate to be more of an input than shipping, which is why most set minimums for "free" shipping around $100 or so.

Good tea comes from other places, from Nepal, Indonesia, Georgia (the country); the list keeps going.  Of course no one is going to start there, so it's all out of this discussion scope.  What-Cha is probably a good vendor option for checking what else is out there, if they're still around.

Tea is made in the US but I'd set that aside until later too.  Not much is, so that only relates to some quite ordinary mass-produced range from South Carolina, one specialty tea vendor in Mississippi (the Great Mississippi Tea Company; their tea is good), and tea from Hawaii, which is really expensive.  Of course every absolute generality I express here is partly wrong, as that one was; lots of people are growing just a little tea in the US, mostly in the South, and nothing stops them from selling some.

learning, mastering brewing technique:  this just takes practice.  If you want to take up learning background information as a secondary interest that's fine too though; it can complement your own direct experience, which is by far the main input.  I've written about tea reference sources here , covering some of what changed over the years after that first sources post, one part of what was covered in that beginner's guide.

Watching Youtube videos can help with parts you really need to get down quickly (eg. burning your fingers using a gaiwan), or they might shed light on brewing temperature issues.  For Gongfu brewing most people just use boiling point water, all the time, maybe except for green tea, but it's more common to use a range of different temperatures for different tea types when brewing Western style.

varying approaches to tea:  this is a higher level sort of theme; people approach tea in vastly different ways.  Early on many people want to try a good selection of all of the range, and to master basic brewing forms, and learn about storage issues, etc.  That's fine, but it can be like trying to drink the ocean.  You see lists of the ten basic or most famous traditional Chinese teas, so it sounds like just trying 10 versions is a clearly defined milestone, but no two lists identify all the same teas.  Almost no vendor would sell all ten, of any given set, and quality level varies a lot, and so on.  

Sampling works as a good approach early on, but most often those large market-style vendors offer samples to purchase, and buying a set is much easier than sorting through 2500 versions to identify where to start.  That's why using a region-specific vendor like Hatvala early on works out well; you could buy a half dozen of 30 or 40 Vietnamese tea types they carry, and that set would represent some of the rest.  It could include black tea, green, oolong, pu'er, or whatever you like, and you'd see what you had left behind, you could scan their whole product list.  The other curator site I'd mentioned, Trident Bookseller and Cafe, works for viewing a lot of tea range in a half dozen web pages, but their typical cost range would be around 50 cents per gram, instead of 10 to 20 for more intro-oriented, moderate quality level range.

cost as a factor:  I can't really help clarify how this works, because there are really dozens of types of vending outlets, and thousands of types of tea versions and products.  In general higher quality level teas will cost more, but value--quality in relation to price--varies by vendor.  In physical shops you tend to pay a little more for the extra service level, and to cover the extra overhead.  Some online sources represent a great value, and others terrible value; they can set the mark-up however they want, or they can even lie about what a tea actually is.  With quality levels also varying so much you can't get any feel for value within the first year or so of exploring tea.  You can accept others' input about this, and later confirm or reject their input based on your own experience.

It's a lot cheaper to buy more volume of tea at one time; that stays the same across most vendor types.  Then I also just said that sampling is a good approach to try a lot early on, buying tiny amounts, maybe 10 or 15 grams at a time.  There's no contradiction there, if there seems to be.  You end up paying a little more to try more range earlier on, usually.

You can buy really cheap tea at high volume from atypical types of sources (at a Chinese or Indian market, direct from producers, from some market-style vendors, through online auctions, whatever it is).  I've bought a kilogram or more of a tea for each of the last two years, basic black teas from Thailand and Vietnam.  I don't necessarily recommend this.  Until you know what kinds of tea you like, and how to evaluate sources, you might just buy awful tea, or decent tea in a style that you don't like.  If you are spending $20 on a kilogram it's only so much money wasted, but if it's the absolute lowest quality tea on the market there may be health issues to be concerned about, eg. pesticide contamination.  The highest exposure risk occurs when you drink a lot of one unsafe kind of tea, just that set of circumstances.

So this part everyone needs to sort out for themselves.  People tend to explore organically, to try a couple of types of tea and keep going from there.  Some people never move beyond Harney and Sons flavored versions of tea sold in tins, and that's ok.  Most British people aren't aware that not all tea comes in tea bags, which is fine.  It's a shame to never try better black teas, and oolongs, but it's just a drink choice, just one that a lot of people value quite a bit, and explore at great length.

rolled Tie Guan Yin and twisted Dan Cong oolong, both very much worth trying

what I'm not mentioning:  most of the other related factors, most of what a tea enthusiast would learn over the first two years or so.  This hasn't touched on tea storage issues yet, concerns related to using water with a low or high mineral content, how long you can leave damp leaves sit around (for half a day is ok), and many other things.  Cold-brewing is a nice option, and thermos brewing can work, or even simmering some versions of tea, but I'd advise against starting there.  Masala chai is nice, spiced black tea, similar to the "pumpkin spice" theme, which usually is simmered, and you can make that at home, but again it's no place to start.  Versions of hei cha could work out even as a starting point, but someone might as well try basic black teas and oolongs first, or move on to green and white versions.

I'll mention a few other issues in relation to photos that are handy, but in general the idea here is to support getting started.  The rest will come.

In a Chinatown shop, or anywhere else I guess, one might wonder if large-jar storage is ok.  It's not ideal, but it's still ok, especially for buying mid-range quality tea.  For early in exploration quality issues are a lot more of a concern than storage form.  Better tea tends to not be sold like this, but then you don't need to focus on high quality tea early on anyway.  

I'd go for it, exploring through this form of purchasing, even though I've had some really bad experiences doing so (especially related to the shop pictured; a Lapsang Souchong was made with fake smoke scent added, that was so strong and foul that it threw off the smell of all my luggage).  That's part of it too; the learning curve involves trying bad tea too, and other directions that don't work out.  A lesson learned from that experience:  even if you are in a hurry, and trying inexpensive random things, and a bit thrown off by walking around NYC in a snowstorm, you should take a whiff of the large jar, to make sure nothing is really wrong with the tea you are buying.

This shows how I brew tea, using a gaiwan, a cup, and a thermos (along with our cat and my daughter).  That's all you need, and for Western brewing a single stainless steel basket and a mug is enough.  There's no need to worry about using a scale, strainer, thermometer, brewing tray, tongs, sharing pitcher (gong dao bei), or any of the rest.  

Comparison tasting, trying two teas together, is a nice learning tool for later on, but it will make more sense once the basics are clearer, what types are, how to brew, and what some basic versions should taste like.

There are countless other brewing devices, gravity feed versions, simple pitchers (like this), tea bottle based; it never ends.  You can use any of them you like.  The small stainless steel ball version isn't ideal because tea leaves can't expand, and you can't put longer, whole leaves in them, because they won't fit, but most other forms are similar in effectiveness.

Loose, whole leaf black tea.  This style is similar to Dian Hong, Yunnan black tea, but this version is from Thailand.  Teas like this can be entirely different than tin-based ground up material versions, and are generally much better.

that one friend again; she visits Bangkok this week, and this is my favorite Chinatown shop

If you go in a Chinatown shop, or any shop, they'll first ask what kind of tea type you like.  If you don't have an answer for that things can get a bit stuck.  Just make of any given situation whatever you can, and more helpful vendors will be happy to help you sort through some basics early on, mapping roughly what sounds good to what they sell.  

In general you don't need to buy anything at any shop, regardless of how much tea you've tasted, but out of consideration I'll always buy a little if I've tasted more than one tea version.  If I try something and it's not good and staff isn't helpful I might just walk back out instead, buying nothing.

Some teas take different pressed forms, or can appear different in other ways, ground up, or varying in color.  This is sheng pu'er, the version I've been saying people shouldn't try right away, since oolong and black tea are more natural places to start (to me).  People shouldn't be put off or afraid to try anything, though, if they feel interested.  White tea cakes look similar to this, most often shou mei, and those are very approachable, another nice starting point.

The only storage form that you should absolutely avoid buying tea in relation to is when it's sitting out in open bins.  This degree of air contact is way too much; this tea will go dead fast.  For your own storage at home that doesn't matter too much, as long as the tea is well sealed, but the ziplock style bag form of plastic (also in this picture, in the lower right) isn't as good as it might seem, since that can "breathe," even the freezer-use versions.  Mylar or multi-layer bags are good.

There is no natural place to end this; I could reference another 20 photos and the part of the story they tell about tea experience.  I'll end by sharing a picture of the one thing I most typically leave out:  me, sharing tea with a favorite friend.  It's even the friend you've seen twice here, while visiting from Vietnam last year.

11 years of blogging; perspective on tea culture

 

There's no compelling reason to pass on my opinion on tea themes now, just because it's back to the time of year I started blogging, but I miss writing beyond review scope here.

Rather than fill in more on how my experience has changed, since it hasn't much, I'll limit this to some thoughts on themes that define where tea culture and the tea industry is right now.

tea culture in the US:  it's not really moving forward, compared to where it was 5 years ago.  If anything a good-sized, but still limited, group of people exploring tea through social media discussion and online content consumption have went quiet.  It's natural, learning and exploring, then seeing that new range as just normal, and learning less.  Social media groups are changing, and some are dying; I'll add other sections on that.  The tea itself, preferences and options, hasn't really changed.

tea culture in Thailand:  in some ways Thai cultural development themes mirror and lag behind the US, and in others they don't.  In both countries very few people being really into tea has continued, with many joining groups, in real life and in social media, but that also leveled off.  Small event functions finally started to work locally this year, one mall-based conference oriented event in Bangkok, that finally didn't also include coffee.  Better quality version production has finally made more of a start in Thailand, lagging behind Vietnam's progress, way behind original source countries like China, Japan, and Taiwan.

tea culture online:  not different than last year; Discord groups and Reddit sub participation picks up, and Facebook groups go quieter.  One main specialty tea FB group, Gong Fu Cha, is slightly more active than 2 or 3 years ago, but vendors drive the activity, so a lot of that is marketing.  New active members there tend to be relatively new to tea, so it's right back to where online discussions were 6 to 8 years ago, exploring new types, and working out which vendors are actually good sources.  

I don't actively discuss tea online that much, beyond sometimes answering questions on Reddit.  It's harder now for me to keep learning, and my peers in background and experience have talked enough, for the most part.  I moderate a FB tea group, International Tea Talk, but it's mostly dead now, evolved beyond it's more active phase, even though it has over 30,000 members.

FB groups can still work well for organizing local gatherings

tea sources:  a new wave of Chinese vendors is driving Western facing sales to "the West," or at least trying to.  Chen Sheng Hao, a pu'er producer, and Oriental Leaf, a mixed type reseller, work as good examples.  Or ITea World is an example of a positive form with some kinks still being worked out; they used free sample distribution to engage online discussion, overdoing it for final amount of feedback in the Reddit r/tea space.  Use of novel forms of sample sets also works for them, but then ironing out uniform quality is ongoing; some versions are better than others, so value is a bit all over the place.  Selling sample sets offsets that; people should be able to tell what is better and what they like best.

I see this development as a good thing, as a potential for competition for a very limited set of main Western vendors.  Some new sources, including Western options, are selling pretty mediocre tea at medium pricing levels, and some actually go beyond that, offering novel range and good value.  Jesse's tea house, a Tik Tok based vendor, has replaced Mei Leaf, a Youtube based vendor, for drawing criticism for selling overpriced and medium quality tea.  Both vendors do serve a positive industry role in marketing tea to a new audience, and raising awareness.  That seems to get missed in the specialty tea industry, that if all the vendors only try to capture the most of a small market it will never grow.  Running standard ads isn't the only way to spread awareness and raise demand; novel forms of events can build up both slowly, bit by bit.

producer issues:  Darjeeling has been suffering due to shifting costs and demand context for years, it seems, so that's not new, but eventually the last plantation will be owned by a corporation instead of a family there.  Chinese producers seem to do ok.  A dip in the Chinese economy poses challenges, but built-up demand in China and in the West has set a strong foundation for demand for them.  

Nothing is really new; no new push for organic / sustainability themes, no new product ranges, and nothing novel related to presentation forms (eg. new compressed styles, although some experimentation continues).  Using health claims for marketing seems relatively played out, which is interesting related to tea probably really being fairly healthy.

Trump and tariffs:  this is the newest concern; a new wave of import taxes may well increase the cost of tea in the US.  Or maybe not.  Since tea is barely produced in the US at all, with limited exceptions, this wouldn't make sense, given the drive to make US companies more competitive, but not everything Trump and Republicans do is supposed to make sense.  It would be strange to have tea drinkers shoulder more tax burden; it's too small a factor to make any real difference, and doesn't relate to the broader trade issues.  But it could come across as vindictive, which would be part of the point, to escalate opposition, in theory to other ongoing unfairness.  

I doubt it will change much.  Tea costing 10 to 20% more wouldn't be a welcome change but also not so significant.  A larger new tax would sting more.

new styles, origins, something new being popular:  it's going to get harder to know what trends even are with social media becoming quieter.  There hasn't been a hot new source region in years, as far as I know; Georgia seemed novel and promising some years ago, and Nepal long before that.  Sheng pu'er keeps sucking the air out of the room related to popular range.  Surely a broader, but still small, group of well-exposed sheng drinkers has moved on to appreciating different range, well-aged versions, good quality boutique styles, and so on.  South East Asian versions gain traction, over time.  

The standard list of vendors are probably doing slightly better year to year (Yunnan Sourcing, White 2 Tea, Crimson Lotus, and so on), but this doesn't change anything.

a hybrid style Greengold Georgian white / green tea, reviewed here

inflation as a factor in the US:  probably anyone earning in the lower half of incomes in the US is struggling a bit from price increases, especially over the last two years.  Most people already buying $100 sheng pu'er cakes probably weren't in that group.  It could serve as a barrier to larger scale entry to better tea, for some, but limited awareness was already working out like that.  Specialty tea never was positioned to couple with a broad cultural form shift, eg. to benefit as coffee and craft beer had before.  If anything those other trends getting old for people might be the next main wave for tea; those interests are fine for a long time, but lots of types of preference go in cycles.

what's next?:  it's never easy to tell.  I had always been concerned that multi-level marketing would make a mess within tea exposure, but that came and went quietly (Steepology, was that?).  Intuitively new solutions like automated marketing and sales based on drop-shipping should've already happened, but didn't.  Or kind of did, but didn't gain any traction.  Automatically created content made by people who know almost nothing about tea are just too easy to spot.  

Jesse's tea business shows how just being one short step ahead of the beginner learning curve can work, and it's odd that's not more of the norm.  But then the smallest tea businesses have always struggled, and it's not easy for most people to create high quality social media content, and then use that for effective marketing.

I think earlier producer-side development progress elsewhere might consolidate within the Western markets in a different form at some point.  Vietnam has been driving better tea production and vending for a few years, and options have broadened in places like Georgia, Darjeeling, and Assam.  There's always a brief window when a new origin area emerges when novel offerings and value are both exceptional, then when demand catches up it transitions to more standard priced range.  All that happens based on small, well-organized vendors transitioning to become medium sized.  

A large foreign vendor like Moychay, the Russian version of Yunnan Sourcing, sort of, has been poised to play a larger role in Western sales for years, having established an accessible branch in the EU in Amsterdam, but they're still not such a familiar name.  Growing local demand by building pleasant tea drinking spaces and holding events supports their business, it just doesn't drive international awareness.

No one is driving any industry change or expansion.  Blog writing, like this one, have lost a lot of following, and Youtube content never gained it back.  There are thousands of people showing photos of tea on Instagram, and hundreds of people selling tea event services and training, or probably that is thousands of people globally, counting events, education, and tourism oriented options.  It's still not changing much.  Few of us take up interests and lifestyle practices by deeply exploring and going all-in on novel themes like specialty tea.  More people just drink a little tea, often moving slowly from tea-bag flavored blends on to better loose versions of flavored blends.  It's fine, but per the perspective of the other kinds of tea enthusiasts it misses a lot of potential.

A broad group of people have normalized drinking decent tea, following most of the learning curve that they ever will.  That group is broad but very limited in overall scale.  Specialty tea may never "have its moment," in a scaled-up industry demand sense, but for them it already is, every day.

I'm not usually in pictures here, here with my family

the tastings are better with visitors

How much theanine is in tea?

 

I just looked this up related to someone bringing it up in a biohacking group, of course related to taking it as a pill supplement instead of drinking tea.  Those people love supplements, the more experimental the better, it sometimes seems.  Theanine should be harmless enough, in a normal dosage range.  But what is that?

WebMD says this; they would never steer you wrong:

L-theanine is naturally found in tea and some mushrooms. As medicine, L-theanine has most often been used by adults in doses of 200-400 mg by mouth daily for 4-8 weeks. Speak with a healthcare provider to find out what dose might be best for a specific condition.

People in that group said that 100 mg is probably ok for a starter dose, but if they mean to take that twice a day it's back to 200.  It would depend on why someone is taking it.  WebMD says this:

Possibly Effective for:  Memory and thinking skills (cognitive function). Taking L-theanine by mouth might help healthy people stay focused. It isn't clear if adding L-theanine to caffeine works better than using either of those ingredients alone.

There is interest in using L-theanine for a number of other purposes, but there isn't enough reliable information to say whether it might be helpful.

Healthline said this, more in line with what those people in that group were using it for:  

It’s said to help ease anxiety, stress, and reduce insomnia.  Before trying it out yourself, learn more about the potential health benefits, as well as any possible risks or complications.

So those two not so reliable, light content health sites said completely opposite things; that can happen.  People in that group thought that it could provide different benefits, and were taking it for different reasons.

So how much is in tea, especially in relation to standard supplementation amounts?  Scanning a few sources turned up different measured amounts, but this seems kind of middle of the road for other results:

Theanine and Caffeine Content of Infusions Prepared from Commercial Tea Samples

Materials and Methods:

Theanine and caffeine contents of 37 commercial white, green, oolong, black, and pu-erh tea samples were quantified by high-performance liquid chromatography-diode array detector.

Results:

The mean L-theanine content of white, green, oolong, and black teas were 6.26, 6.56, 6.09, and 5.13 mg/g, respectively. The same values for caffeine content were 16.79, 16.28, 19.31, and 17.73 mg/g.

So just over 6 mg per gram of dry tea.  The caffeine values seem normal enough; measured amounts typically ranges between 15 and 25 mg/g, so maybe a little on the low side, but these are "commercial" products, probably low to medium low in quality level.  Both theanine and caffeine range might bump a little in relation to testing or consuming slightly better tea, but probably not too much.

Extraction rate could be a little clearer, but it seems to follow the same pattern as for caffeine, so for a relatively complete brewing process something like 90% may be extracted, possibly a little less:

So from there it's really down to daily intake, amount of dry leaf prepared per day, which is going to vary for everyone.  Someone could brew two rounds of tea a day and consume 10 grams, but I tend to brew 9 or 10 grams for each Gongfu brewing session.  10 grams at 6 mg / gram of extraction (which may be slightly lower) is 60 mg; not a lot, in relation to taking supplements, which again might be in a range of 200 mg per day (taken as pills), but that would just depend.

It's interesting that they seemed to test one pu'er sample and found no theanine in it.  That could be an anomaly, or it could be that they tested shou pu'er and fermentation really does transition that compound to become something else.  Here is that summary:

Those results are all over the place.  There may well be a correlation between theanine levels and buds and fine leaves content, versus older leaves, as there is for caffeine level, but you can't really spot an underlying cause input from this kind of list.  It would seem natural for there to be a divide between variety Sinensis and variety Assamica plants, but this definitely wasn't set up to isolate that input, or any other, really.  One sample of any given type doesn't even tell you with any certainty that other samples of the same type would follow the same pattern, and have a similar amount in them.

For me it's enough to have as a guess that we might be ingesting around 6 mg per gram of tea, since I'm not even sure what theanine would do anyway.  There's a vague understanding that it calms you while caffeine gives you a lift, so I guess a very mild speedball effect, but not much of one.  The effect would be limited if your daily consumption probably lands between 60 and 120 mg per day, and only that higher level based on drinking 20 grams worth of tea a day, which is a lot.

I glanced at a couple of other studies and they're in this general range, with some showing some black tea amounts that are a good bit higher (in this study example):

High levels of milk resulted in a marked lowering of the level of detectable l-theanine. Contrary to previous research, a standard (200 ml) cup of black tea was found to contain the most l-theanine (24.2 ± 5.7 mg) while a cup of green tea contained the least (7.9 ± 3.8 mg).

So their findings were way off that other scale, which is more typical of what other sources that I looked through were saying.  It can be confusing comparing amount per brewed cup with a derived amount per gram of dry leaf, which to me is easier to work with.  They seemed to be making tea from a standard 2 or 2 1/2 gram commercial tea bag, and then infusion time surely would've been a limitation to extraction, since you don't brew tea bags for 10 minutes.  The point here is more that studies vary on general findings, as that one study varied quite a bit in relation to measured amounts and individual tea versions, even within type categories (black, green, and so on).

Someone could keep digging if they really wanted to know, but it would be hard to factor in what these studies are not testing for:  theanine amounts in relation to tea plant material type (buds, fine leaves, old leaves), and related to tea quality level.  Guessing that a final average experienced result is around 6 grams per gram of dry tea seems good enough, with extracted amount probably just below that.  

We're taking in a significant amount of theanine when drinking tea, just not getting dosed on the high side compared to the range of 100 mg to 400 mg of intake per day.  20 grams of tea--a good bit to drink in one day, which probably would exceed that 100 mg theanine input level--might work out to 20 mg of caffeine per dry gram of ingested tea, or 400 mg of caffeine per day, the general recommended daily limit.  

That is on the high side of most caffeine level test findings; 15 to 20 grams per mg is probably a more standard range, with extraction potentially between 85 and 90%.  My point in venturing into this second tangent is that it seems that you can drink 20 grams worth of tea per day, related to not exceeding a standard caffeine input level.  Then a daily dose of over 100 mg of theanine might offset some negative effects of caffeine, feeling "jittery," as people understand might happen.  It's not completely clear that would occur, but then theanine and caffeine aren't necessarily the only two active compounds in tea, the only two that would have any effect on how you feel.