Wednesday, August 23, 2017

Tea as the hottest latest trend in Bangkok

This really is about tea as a local trend, and food trends in general.  A local tea acquaintance, the owner of the Seven Suns cafe, mentioned hosting a booth at a Matcha Mania event in the Paragon mall, arguably one of the two main malls in Bangkok.  I checked it out and it was well received; crowded, even.

lines at Matcha Mania

Matcha booths and shops are everywhere, edging into bubble tea's market share.  I'm not sure how an event theme really could ramp up the "mania" much but it did seem to.  I might have tried a Seven Suns matcha drink there but I did so not that long ago (which I wrote about here) and I wasn't into waiting in line.  I've been considering trying out hojicha soft serve for a very long time--it's around--but didn't finally get to that either.

menu board at the next booth over; it looked ok

that sausage (with a recipe for it here)

I didn't try any tea at all.  I'm not all that into matcha, except in ice cream, and eating a desert item right before dinner made no sense.  I had walked by a nice looking Northern Thai herb-spiced sausage on the way and bought some of that for dinner on the way out, along with sticky rice.

Other tea and food trends

I'm not a "trend" person.  I'm from a small town in North Western Pennsylvania, where time doesn't bother to cause changes in the normal sense.  I like it that I live in a part of Bangkok where the decades passing also doesn't change things much.  I wear plain clothes and drink plain, hot, traditional teas.  I suppose if one looks at the longest term some of those teas aren't traditional, since the story is that shou was invented in the 70s, and I drink a little of them, and I like tea style variations from places like Vietnam and Indonesia that probably didn't exist a decade or two ago.  But the general point is the same.

Related to transitions back in the States I feel like I might somehow completely become a stranger in my own country at some point, but visiting once in awhile helps offset that.  My wife and I moved to Bangkok from Honolulu a decade ago so that's plenty of time frame for changes to happen.  I was just back in PA over the Christmas holidays, and in Washington, DC, and NYC, with a very short stop in State College, where I first went to school (PSU).  All of those places probably lag a little compared to the West coast for transition pace but it was comforting to see it all about the same as I remembered.  Except NYC; I've only been there a few times, so it's not as familiar.

An online contact just mentioned a "cheese tea" trend that apparently became popular in China way back in May, mixing cream cheese into tea as a beverage, topped with a bit of sugar, salt, or some spicing to give it a twist.  I just saw a notice that I can get it here, but I'd be ok with never following up on that.  Oddly that online contact lives in Poland, and she cited a Polish tea vendor's Youtube video about how to make it yourself, I guess all typical of the world getting smaller.

at that mall; not exactly the same thing

As I was wandering that mall looking for that tea event a friend back in the US asked me by message if I'd tried a lighter form of Japanese cheesecake that is popular now, and my initial reaction was "of course not."  Then I remembered that my wife's cousin's wife is a baker, and she gave us a type of cake I wasn't familiar with over the weekend, so apparently I'd already been eating it for breakfast this week (Japanese cotton cheesecake, per her description).  It was nice.  There is more of running theme here than there might seem.

There is an emphasis on things being trendy in Bangkok.  I suppose it varies by where you go, and Paragon mall is a main place for that sort of thing.  That name seems to mean "exemplar" as much in the sense of exemplifying trends than relating to being an ideal mall.  I suppose it's nice though, to the extent that any is different from the others.

One local magazine covers updating preference shifts as well as any, BK Magazine, as in this post about 7 terrific Bangkok tea houses that are very serious about their cha.  Cha is Thai for tea too, for what that's worth.  The first three they mention are worth a look, which includes Seven Suns.  The two others I'm approving of are the old Chinatown cafe (Double Dogs), and the last a good place to spend $20 for small pot of tea, Peace Oriental.  I visited there once a couple of years ago, and it was ok, but I don't plan to ever go there again.

It's drifting off theme a bit but I'm in a FB foodies group here, even though I'm definitely not a foodie.  I cook; I guess that could count as partial credit.  They discuss restaurants more than novel food items, split between considering higher end places and debating who has the best burgers, pizza, Mexican, etc.  All the Mexican food I've tried here was somewhere between mediocre and awful but it would help to be a foodie, to visit restaurants a few times a week and explore further than I do.

The mall visit got me thinking more about trends, and that cheesecake.  Some looking around turned up ricotta cheese pancakes, and a Japanese tart version of cheesecake, and a place selling a hojicha flavored version of shaved ice.  Shaved ice is popular now, not the version from Hawaii, the fruit syrup flavored range, but the variation from Taiwan instead, more focused on fruit integration and use of condensed milk and other sauces.

It's not the same thing at all but I finally saw an I-Hop here, Thailand's first.  That's right, an International House of Pancakes (which I don't think was really all that international in the past).  It's strange to be mentioning low end breakfast places in the middle of discussing tea, desert trend themes, and foodie culture but it does connect.

not exactly nailing the updated diner theme

The common ground relates to the source of trends not always being so trendy where they are from.  A traditional Chinese tea shop or cafe would be a run of the mill thing in China, but in North-Western PA it would seem very exotic.  Who knows when they'll ever get a Thai restaurant back there but here it's grocery store complex food court fare.  Mexican and Italian food restaurants that go out of business due to lack of interest back in the States could potentially match the best related foods versions Bangkok has to offer.

Pancakes are sort of the same here; a bit exotic.  I was a little shocked and horrified that they didn't have bacon, sausage, or hash browns on that I-Hop menu, and I'm still a little rattled about it.  I was a vegetarian for about 17 years so I can take or leave meat more than most but it's still disrespectful to the theme of American breakfast.  It's downright un-American.  Somehow waffles are common here but french toast and pancakes not so much; I'm not sure how that worked out.  Sausage is common here but  Jimmy Dean-style breakfast links would be as out of place as dim sum or pho back in the Midwest (or som-tum, Thai papaya salad; you get the idea).

If this was going to circle back to tea it probably should have already.  Those recommended cafes work as a transition; the two new ones and one older version sum up what's going on in Bangkok.  TWG is on the list, and Twinings cafe might as well be, and Whittard I just walked by in Paragon.  High end commercial, traditional versions of tea aren't really of interest to me.  The one Japanese tea shop sounded nice, and that was about it.  People probably bought more matcha drinks at those booths in that mall event over the last ten days than traditional pots of tea at all of those other places combined over the same time frame, or maybe a factor of ten more.

I'm behind in trying different flavored ices

It seems odd to conclude that only matcha is even close to being the hottest latest trend in tea in Bangkok.  It'll be funny if "cheese tea" really takes off.

Good oolong or pu'er teas just don't seem to fit the mold of what catches on (or mould, for British people).  As with in the US better tea may just gradually ramp up for years until it finally really catches on, and if that seems to happen suddenly the reasons why will probably only make sense in retrospect.  

Monday, August 21, 2017

Comparing Yunnan Sourcing Liu Bao and Shou Pu'er

2012 Three Cranes 25017 Recipe Liu Bao

2016 "Golden Fruit" Menghai ripe / shou pu'er cake

Of course it would've been more descriptive to put what the teas actually are in the title, not the vendor name, but the word count runs long.  Here are the descriptions for a number of hei cha I recently purchased to get around to exploring the general type more (along with one black tea a friend recommended, the same friend that recommended the shou):

So there they are; one I'm comparing in this review is the first, a 2012 Three Cranes 25017 Recipe Liu Bao, and the other is a 2016 Menghai "Golden Fruit" Ripe Pu'er, or shou, as I tend to call the type .

I've tried the shou twice already; it's nice.  It would work to review these separately, but comparing them cuts the number of write-ups in half, and adds the direct comparison aspect.

Often comparison is about highlighting subtle distinctions, enabling appreciating something about a feel aspect, for example, or noticing a slight difference in complexity, but at first taste that's not how this is going to go; they'll be quite different.  It's probably mostly just about how I review but I tend to say more about feel and aftertaste aspects when doing individual reviews, and focus more on taste in comparison, as I see it because that level of detail is natural to notice first, and description of it already runs long.

The scent of the Liu Bao is earthy, musty even, like someone's basement.  Not the clean "game room" sort of environment, where there is wood paneling and the old version of living room furniture and a pool table down there, it smells like a musty cob-web covered storage place for jarred food.  It'll be fine though; I don't mean that as saying it's not nice tea.

The shou is good.  I can go ahead and pass on some prior impression before tasting notes.  There is no mustiness to it, it's not overly earthy, no petroleum or tar, and definitely no fishiness.  It's smooth and rich, full in flavor, but to me not necessarily complex in the sense of lots of distinct aspects coming across.  I mostly just get "shou" range from it.  It's good though; well balanced, complex, smooth, and sweet.  The effect reminds me a little of that rich earthiness in Guinness Stout, just not quite as creamy, which to me is very positive.  It's especially nice for containing no negative aspects or roughness at all, so you can drink it at any infusion strength, even really thick, which I just confirmed the second time I tried it.

the shou ("ripe") label

Some background

These posts really do go long enough as it is but I wanted to mention a couple of things first.  Someone reviewed this shou version in a Yunnan Sourcing Fans FB group, and that makes for a good chance to pass on another impression, especially given how developed a flavor-list description was in that:

Nose is wonderfully complex for such a young shu puer: sweet and malty, leather, wet bark, dried figs, brown sugar, caramel are some of the things that come to mind. There is a hint of peach, but it's very subtle and it disappears after a few steepings. Taste is full and creamy, with notes of dark chocolate, licorice, wood and hazelnuts.

I tend to either avoid reading other reviews before trying a tea (most typically), or in some rare cases I intentionally do, but this was in the middle, since I read it by chance a week before first trying the tea and two weeks before this write-up.  For better or worse with my memory that means it wasn't accessible to me in doing this tasting since lots of lists of things, names, and numbers just don't stick for me.  Abstract concepts, events, and personal interactions do; funny how that works.

This is a good place to pass on the Yunnan Sourcing product description too:

The idea was to create a peach taste in the ripe pu-erh.  At this early stage it's hard to taste peach but there is a fruitiness thats developing in the tea and that long-lasting feeling in the mouth that transforms into sweet on the tongue.

Reminds me a little like that hui gan post theme even though it's not really about the same idea.  I may as well pass on the other Liu Bao product description while I'm at it, which goes into storage conditions:

25017 is the recipe number for this traditional medium level fermented Liu Bao tea from the oldest producer of Liu Bao in Guangxi (Three Cranes / Wuzhou Tea Factory)...  The 25017 is wet piled for about 29 days, which is typical for classical Liu Bao.  The result is a liu bao with some bitter, sweet, chocolate and betel nut flavors.  It's got an obvious "chen xiang" (old taste) due to classic style processing and 5 years in hot and humid Wuzhou storage condition.  This has been stored since 2012 and then in 2014 packed into 15 kilogram baskets. The wet storage conditions in Wuzhou have fast aged this tea, but at the same time the tea is not funky or moldy.

comparing dry versions; shou left, Liu Bao right


On to actual review then.  In order to see all of what's going on with these I'll taste the initial infusion (the rinse) but it would probably be a good idea to always do a quick rinse that you don't drink with shou and aged sheng.  I've cited a research article in a post about factors in fermentation that covers one reason why before, about them containing some traces of toxins as output of the two related fermentation processes (related to a role played by fungus and bacteria in both shou and aged sheng).  That's perhaps not exactly standard fermentation, related to another good source description, since the process is based on air contact, but lets stick with that instead of a term that means nothing to most people (microbial ripening, described in that Tea Geek blog article).

I'll start the review on the second infusion, starting out brewing the two teas on the light side.

Liu Bao:  I'm getting a good bit of "damp basement" from this tea, as the scent suggested.  It really takes me back to my brother and sister and I locking each other in a potato storage cave-like basement area in an old house we lived in when I was young (in PA), one of the mustiest places I've ever been.  Oddly that's not all bad.  Beyond the damp earth and mildew tastes mushroom or some other type of fungus comes across next.  That last part is like the scent of the half-moon shaped fungus that grows on trees; earthy in a unique sense.  The tea has redeeming aspects and character, and I suspect it will clean up a bit after another couple of infusions.  There is some sweetness to it, and richness, and other depth, and it comes across as more "clean" than it probably sounds.  At this point in the infusion cycle it's hard to summarize the overall experience as "I like it" but the tea seems to have potential to show more.

The shou is earthy but very clean in comparison.  There's a molasses-like sweetness that really compliments the complex range of other earthier aspects.  It doesn't remind me of peat much at all, as some shou tends to, certainly not of mildew or fungus.  One aspect is towards walnut or roasted chestnut.  Some of the range is a bit towards forest floor, but a clean version of it, the dry-leaf style of an autumn forest, not the damper and peat-like character of a spring forest.  The complexity extends a good bit from there, it's just hard to split into components.

It's hard for me to compare against other better shou I've tried since the two other shou versions I've bought this year weren't quite this good (a standard type of brick and a tuocha).  I think the brick version could potentially have expressed a bit more range of complexity but then that tea, a three year Kunming (aka CNNP, formerly) 7581 brick, tasted a good bit like tar or oil; not really what everyone is looking for in aspects.

Per one take once a shou loses the initial fermentation effect off flavors after a couple of years they don't transition that much.  Per an opposing take they do keep changing and developing over time.  I don't have lots of opinion on that, or enough experience for it to follow clear trends based on what I've tried.  I compared multiple years of one classic shou version quite awhile back (7572 cakes, with those listed in the YS page here, or with a little about that in this post) but attributed the differences to yearly differences in versions, and had little to go on for shou exposure at that point.  More so now but I guess there are levels to that; this is the third I've reviewed this year and I'll probably leave off them for awhile.

shou left, Liu Bao right (both a bit thick looking)

Second infusion

The infusion time was relatively fast, 20-some seconds, but these teas still brewed to be thick looking, a dark reddish brown.  I might try a flash infusion next time to experience them thinner.  I've tested this shou at ridiculous brewed strength the second time I tried it (earlier), going with a really high proportion and even longer times, and it works well across the whole range of however you make it.  Sometimes teasing individual flavor aspects apart for description works better lighter, and I guess personal preference steers what range is most enjoyable, for me different for different teas.  I don't prefer most tea types as strong as possible, and some work lots better much lighter, even without brewing around astringency or whatever else as a factor, but I do tend to like shou on the thick side.

The Liu Bao is cleaning up in character, although it would still be one of the earthiest and mustiest teas I've ever tried as it comes across now.  But it's still nice; cleaner, with good complexity, lots going on.  I think I like it more because of the novelty than the aspects range.  The richness in taste extends a bit towards coffee, maybe leaving off a little short of that, closer to tree bark.  The mustiness has backed off so it's just a supporting aspect, not so negative since I don't mind it.  With the flavor range "cleaner" it comes across as sweeter.  There's a little wild mushroom in flavor but it's not so much tree fungus now as portabello mushroom.  I suspect the tea will really show it's potential in the next infusion.  I wouldn't be surprised if the bark moves just a little into spice, but we'll see.

The shou isn't so different than the last infusion, maybe just a little cleaner and sweeter, but still grounded in a subdued earthiness and complex.  Sorry about contradicting myself related to that, but in one sense it's rich and thick and complex, and in another perhaps a little thinner and simpler than it might be.  Writing literal contradictions might not really seem descriptive.  The taste level is full enough, but there is some range it might be hitting that it doesn't get to, and the feel could be a little fuller, but it is fine as it is.  For a very reasonably priced tea it's quite good.  It is strange to hold a tea to perform up to a price level, and not just examine it for what's there.  I think the same yardstick applies to the Liu Bao, as I remember pricing; it compares well to expectations for teas that don't cost a lot, to the extent one is on that page for evaluation, although that type of musty earthiness wouldn't be for everyone.

I like this shou brewed at this relatively conventional infusion strength but somehow it sort of makes sense to double it, as I did the last time I tried it.  Maybe that's only because it's possible, because it doesn't have any negative aspects that would also double, more than as a criticism about it gaining the effect of complexity and intensity at higher than average brewed strength.

Third infusion

This time I did infuse the teas for about ten seconds, not really a flash infusion but on the short side.

The Liu Bao is the best it's came across prepared this way, which I suspect is as much due to prior rinsing as being prepared lighter.  That earthiness might not really drift towards spice but it's cleaner yet.  It comes across a lot more in the range of tree bark than fungus now.  I suppose others might be split on the complexity really relating to forest floor versus a clean version of peat.  It has a compensating sweetness, and mineral tones, and I suppose with enough interpretation someone could taste out a dried fruit aspect of some sort in it, maybe dried persimmon.  It all works.  It would be way too earthy for a lot of people's preferences but I like it.  I probably wouldn't want to drink it all the time but I could imagine it working as a breakfast tea, or with an afternoon snack, a tea you don't need to focus on that would pair well with some compensating sweet food.

Trying the tea later, in a tasting after this first round, this Liu Bao tasted exactly like brewing charcoal to me.  Now I wonder if it transitioned to that across the infusion cycle or if I completely missed that "mineral" I just mentioned tasting like brewed coals, like carbon.  That's one reason why it's better to try teas a few times for review instead of just writing notes on the first go:  beyond separating out one or two more vague aspects it is possible to completely overlook a primary taste, or "feel" aspect.  The shou doesn't really change.  It doesn't lose much for being prepared quite lightly, although I'd naturally tend to make it a lot stronger.  

The idea of preparing these lighter supporting ease of breaking apart flavor aspects isn't working, but per usual the chaotic background in this house isn't helping with that either.  As a tea-friend put it, tasting works best in a meditative space.  My son has some idea about playing he wants to get to, and my daughter just stamped me three times, the kind that they put on letters, or to show paid entrance to a bar.  But it's the noise that's worse relating to focusing.

she seems low on ink

Anyway, this shou is drifting a little into a spice range, like the darker cinnamon a Rou Gui can show, but still light, with plenty of sweetness.  The sweetness reminds me of caramel, but that could as easily be toffee, or molasses.  I suppose it could taste just a little like peach.  It has a brightness to it, versus a heavier tone one might expect.  The range that is there is quite positive; if there is a weakness to the tea it might be that range not suiting preference, or that it could be a bit more complex.

shou left, Liu Bao right

Fourth infusion

Apparently I really do need to go play so this will be it for the tasting cycle but I think these teas have a good bit more to show.  I'll go longer on this infusion to see how that works out, more like 45 seconds versus 10 the last time, after just under 30 the others.

It's interesting how much that changed the character of the Liu Bao; I take back that guess about the rinsing being a bigger factor than infusion strength; both seem to be factors.  An underlying trace of mustiness remains but this tea is now mostly just earthy, and intense, at least at this infusion strength.  Instead of tree bark this now reminds me of the scent of very old aged wood, of how a 100 year old barn smells.  I could imagine people hating that but I can kind of connect with it.  It's probably cleaner in effect than it sounds.  The tea is also complex, in a sense, but a list isn't coming to mind.  With mineral on one "lower" layer and sweetness on a higher end the aged wood and tree bark fill that in, not really extending into spice much, maybe a little towards an earthier root spice, that hard to pin down range of ginseng, for example.  It must have tasted like charcoal at this point but later infusions went to straight charcoal.

that one trouble maker

The shou is the same; that's going to save on some words.  And I've nothing really to add or conclude at this point in tasting; I liked it.

Conclusion / one more experiment

It's a bit insane but I tried out cold brewing the shou based on trying it yesterday, to get the last of a round of infusions out of it.  In reading up on fluoride levels in tea--there's low risk related to overexposure to that, don't worry--one set of tests said that using a very long infusion time is a good way to extract a lot of it out of tea.  Old tea plant leaves have the most fluoride content by far, per hearsay with that working out to much higher levels in some types of hei cha.  So I might've just been dosed with lots of fluoride.  Per all that research plant leaves from the newest leaves and buds contain the lowest levels and I do tend to drink teas made from those regularly.

The shou is interesting (the other version, from yesterday, the cold-brewed tea).  It's really sweet for some reason; I might even finally be getting that peach.  The taste range is in between fruit and root beer.  It's different; worth a try.  It's strange drinking the tea cold, after the past hour of hot tea tasting in the same general range.  Somehow it makes a lot more intuitive sense to drink other teas cold, black tea, of course, or lighter oolong, but this being as sweet and light as it is helps it to work.  It's not an overly earthy shou brewed hot anyway.

It's also strange tasting the cold version right beside the hot version (a bit cool now; this is taking forever with all the messing around).  It could just be me, or that the cold version was relatively brewed out prior to spending the night in the fridge, but a different aspect range seems to come across a the different temperatures.

As for other conclusions, about the Liu Bao versus the shou, both were nice.  I think I probably liked that Thai Liu Bao I tried not so long ago better, maybe partly since mustiness wasn't a factor in that.  This one is still interesting to me, and generally positive, I just wouldn't want to drink it very often.  Probably the 100 grams worth I have will be enough, or 50 might have been ok, and I can share some.  A Malaysian online friend is really into Liu Bao (which also goes by Luk Bok there), the same one that passed on that input about "gan" in discussion of lui gan in a recent post.  If something comes of input from him versus a standard range of aspects versus what I'm describing I'll pass than on.

About Yunnan Sourcing and international shipping

If any readers aren't familiar with Yunnan Sourcing--which would seem a little odd, to have never heard of them--it would be a good idea to check some of those vendor page links.  They sell an incredible range of teas, lots of types beyond pu'er, so the focus isn't on curating a limited theme of offerings.  To find out more about specific teas places like personal blogs, that Yunnan Sourcing group page, or Steepster could provide additional feedback about them.  It's hard to know how to take one person's opinion based on only reading about unfamiliar tea versions, since preferences and expectations vary, but comparing a few opinions helps counter that.

There was just a discussion about shipping issues in that FB group, related to the timing communicated not getting the point across (they are based in Yunnan, China).  I mention it here since it helps fill in expectations related to buying teas directly from overseas.  Most discussion and comments were about the estimated delivery time descriptions in the options being generally accurate.  Mine came faster than the estimate, but then I live in Bangkok; we're neighbors.

Someone just commented elsewhere that shipping from China to the US costs $22 for a 600 gram package, in case that's helpful, but the way that site is set up there are multiple options, with faster versions costing more, and slower versions less.  At a guess that rate would be for a medium time-frame delivery.  It doesn't seem to matter so much to me if tea takes two weeks versus a month to make a trip but the estimated range for slowest "surface" delivery (sending it by boat), is 36 to 61 business days, and that could test one's patience.  I suppose it's worth considering that it's also the most environmentally friendly option.

I'm guessing this range is for a good bit of tea (credit YS Fan group post)

Thursday, August 17, 2017

The real meaning of hui gan

I have no idea what hui gan means, personally, although I've read lots of discussion about it.  One thing seems clear:  people are using the term to mean different things; they subscribe to a range of varying definitions.

Not unheard of in this blog, I won't be offering much of my own opinion.  I just ran through a similar post context in reviewing a blogging life-cycle, related to people stopping blogging about tea, in which four other people that did that passed on their own insights.

The experience of tea is what it is, regardless of how it is parsed or described, and to a limited extent adopting foreign concepts to frame my own experience isn't a personal interest.  In writing this tea blog I struggle to separate flavors into parts, into an aspect list, and do something with relating the experiences of feel and aftertaste, but my success at any of the three seems limited, to me.

But in this case the concept of hui gan has came up a few times recently and I want to pass on some ideas from that.

I'll start with a more literal and basic definition, from Bablecarp (a tea term definition database):

hui gan (Hui Gan) = pleasant aftertaste, literally Returning Sweet (回甘) [2,1]; or, much less commonly; also, a non-specific label for virtually any effect after the liquor has been swallowed, literally Returning Feeling (回感) [2,3]

Posting that very citation in a tea group is what drew me into this concept and subject, in the form of a Chinese Malaysian online friend sending a long rejection of that definition and explanation of "gan" by message.

I'll get back to that part, and start with another article reviewing the concept I've read since then.  The whole article really deserves a read, even if someone disagrees completely with the interpretation after going through it.  Here are some parts of a recent "Going, Going, Gan" article in the Cleaver Quarterly, written by Angie Lee (which really doesn't summarize by citation well, but doing so will provide access to most general points covered):

I have been to a tea master’s shop in Hong Kong where he brews a pot of Pu’er tea, pouring it into cups no larger than thimbles. We drink it down. There’s a fragrance, with a slight astringency, at first, and then layers of other flavors – tangy plum, honey, and sweet citrus – pile on, and the liquid tastes thicker than water.

The tea master looks at his watch, counts to 15, and exhales. We wait. And then it comes. Sweetness in the back of my throat and a cooling tingle on the sides of my tongue, goosebumps up and down my arm, hairs at a salute. A few of us look around as if the air conditioning has just kicked on... 

Select foods are known to produce gan 甘, this sweet-tasting, air-chilled sensation that follows an initial sting of bitterness. Gan is peptic, but also poetic – the quicker the conversion from bitter to sweet, the more desirable, but there is no shortcutting the bitterness. Gan is an afterimage.

So far so good.  In tea circles it's often used in the form of "aftertaste," but somehow there is always more to it.  I could almost stop at this point, since it's not as if more explanation makes it any less vague.  Maybe the opposite is true, and it ends up making less sense, as further citation of that confirms:

Not surprisingly, all gan-producing foods are native to China... 

Translate gan from Chinese to English and you get “sweet,” but go the other way around and sweet will always register as tian 甜. Tian is sugary, tian is when someone is being sweet to you, tian is what you say when someone is being a kiss-ass...

Gan is not just a taste, it’s an often-eerie sensation that something or someone has come and gone. A little like the way “bittersweet” is used more often in describing a relationship rather than a specific taste. No food actually tastes bittersweet. 

Gan is found in ginseng (a rhizome valued for its medicinal properties and resemblance to miniature humans) as well as in licorice root (not the red twisted candy), but not in star anise or anything made with anise oil, which tastes like licorice without the special bitterness. 

...Lastly, gan is found in Pu’er tea picked from old trees. 

As you read the rest it becomes even less clear what "gan" is, not more so.  That last citation already contained an example:  ginseng has almost no taste at all (the root and related tisane infusion), so it could hardly be aftertaste, in any normal sense.  That ties into the conclusion:

Unlike its friend umami, whose tongue-tingling delight ends as soon as it’s swallowed, gan isn’t a flavor...  Gan is curious. Gan is a transformation that may or may not happen. We may fail to find it, or have a muddling of sensation – no returning sweetness – but the act of listening transforms the moment.... Gan is a gift, and it’s neither here nor there. If you’re lucky, it’s a glorious buzz, this muddy footprint, this temporarily sunning dog.

this guy gets it

It sounds a bit zen-like, as if not making sense is part of a designed approach here.  A commenter on the Facebook page post for the Cleaver Quarterly was not impressed:

The overall content leads one to believe the author does actually know "gan", much less how to describe it. But without going further into minute details or refuting every bit of factual error, I will make just one point: contrary to what the author thinks, gan is not social, it's not philosophical, it's NOT "curious", it is as solid as salty, sweet, sour, pungent, or bitter, and every bit as REAL a flavour as any other organoleptic sensation. And if the author does not cannot see that, I don't know what to say.

No hint there what gan actually is, in that comment, never mind hui gan.  To me that's bad form, to criticize ideas without actually adding a specific criticism.

Discussions in tea groups turn up alternative definitions, like this one in a Reddit thread, or this one on Tea Chat, or one that started 13 hours ago in a FB pu'er group based on this article posting (at time of first draft of this post).  A lot of reading only broadens possible meanings, it never settles into a narrow range.  It means something like aftertaste, or feeling, or both, or something else.  

Again I'm only passing on other people's ideas here, and my friend's explanation goes long, so I'm going to cite that and be done with it.

A Chinese Malaysian friend weighs in on the meaning of "gan," edited

After a longer explanation of "gan," which I'll get to next, that friend passed on this summary of the concept:

Often times, both taste and sensation could be felt, simultaneously. It is not uncommon for a person to make the funny sound, similar with an animal lapping water, with quick movements of the tongue tapping the roof of the mouth to savour '甘' or 'Kam', an awareness more than a sensation but not a flavour proper per se I had mentioned earlier, whilst experiencing bitterness. Perhaps the 'sensation' or 'awareness' of '甘' or 'Kam' could be closely described as having an ice-cold fingertip gingerly brushing the back of one's neck. Such a feeling is felt sporadically and enveloped the rear of the tongue and the soft palate of the mouth. Others might have different description.

So far so good.  I like his writing style, by the way, very clear and precise, with a tone that reminds one of reading a classic novel.  That's the clear and simple summary version; here goes with the longer explanation:

First and foremost, the character, '甘' or 'Kam' is not 'sweet'.  Then, what does '甘' or 'Kam' truly mean?

The expression 'Kam' is only suitably used if it involves Chinese medicines, certain vegetables, fruits and nuts, such as bitter gourd, some pomelo and walnut, repectively. Of course, our favourite drink, tea.

What is the similarity shared amongst these foods? The crucial characteristic with all these foods is bitterness. It is therefore, for one to really find 'Kam', the food itself must at least has a hint of bitterness.

To further explain 'Kam', it is inescapable to explore a few Cantonese phrases. 

'苦口良藥' pronounced as 'Fu Hau Leong Yeok', means 'Bitter medicine provides good remedy', a phrase often used to cajole a sick person to take the Chinese medicine. 

'甘甘哋' pronounced as 'Kam Kam Dei', having '哋', a combination of '口' or 'Hau' also 'mouth' and '地' or 'Dei' also 'ground', is strictly a Cantonese characters, provides the meaning 'a little bit', thereby making '甘甘哋', a conversational Cantonese, exclusively, referring to tastes and flavours.

Both the phrases, '苦口良藥' and '甘甘哋', are usually used together, it means 'Take the medicine, although bitter, it also tolerable as it tastes Kam'.

Unlike those distinct tastes of being categorically defined as sweet, salty, sour, hot and bitter, 'Kam' is neither a taste proper per se, nor 'pleasant' for the lack of accurate and better description, but it is more than a sensation or awareness that lingers in the mouth. 'Kam' is a redeeming or compensating feature of bitterness and for it to manifest itself, there is a prerequisite that the medium being savoured, must be bitter or at least a tinge of bitterness. However, not all bitterness would necessarily has 'Kam'.

'甘' or 'Kam' is not 'sweet' because in Chinese, 'sweet' is '甜' or 'Tim', certainly not the intention of the creator of these characters to have them used interchangeably. A Chinese character could always be used unaccompanied or in combination with other letters, in various situations creating nouns, verbs and adjectives. However, it is not common to have different characters describing the same taste, creating redundancy. It is well known that amongst the many difficulties of learning Chinese, especially Cantonese is its uncompromising jigsaw puzzle trademark, both in writing and in conversation, requring precision in numbers of strokes of a letter and pronunciation, respectively, having each character applies to each situation, tastes in particular.

Perhaps, the words '甘蔗' or 'Kam Jeh' also known as 'sugar cane', a noun, had somehow provided the confusion that '甘' or 'Kam', an adjective, is associated with 'sweet', merely with the existence of the word 'sugar'. However, with '甘蔗', the letter '甘' is not used to refer to 'sugar', the character '蔗' or 'Jeh', a standalone character in itself, is sufficiently understood as 'sugar cane'. 

Also, '竹蔗' or 'Juk Jeh', a variant of sugar cane, boiled in a pot of water for its stock, used as traditional remedy to reduce discomfort caused by measles and mumps during childhood. The liquid is not as sugary as sugar cane juice, but leans towards bitterness, it qualifies as Kam. Therefore, normally '冰糖' or 'Bing Tong', means 'Crystal sugar' is always added as sweetener.

I strongly believe that '甘' or 'Kam' being defined as 'sweet' is a lazy and reckless decription offered to others especially to the western society and younger generation of the Chinese, without giving much thought that by so doing, would deny the true identity of '甘' or 'Kam', vis-à-vis taste or sensation... 

...Please remember that I am not here to convince your goodself of the precise definition of '甘' or 'Kam', because there is no specific English vocabulary providing the corresponding designation to this Chinese character used to define the taste or flavour, but only to identify with absolute certainty the error and fallacy of equating '甘' or 'Kam' with 'sweet' or 'pleasant aftertaste'.

Just like any other Chinese characters, '甘' or 'Kam' is a mere ordinary letter, even in combination with other Chinese characters, but if it is utilised to illustrate foods, a more detailed narrative is needed to properly explain this letter in relation to 'sensation'. 

Other references

After all that it would be easier to stick with "aftertaste" as a definition, but to the extent that I understand it I trust that friend's summary.

Or one could just go with nonsense as a final summary, as in the Cleaver Quarterly article, that it's something that absolutely can't be described.  That final Zen koan definition was that "it's a glorious buzz, this muddy footprint, this temporarily sunning dog." Mind you parts of that article were simple and clear, and did match the rest of these other ideas better than that conclusion, but parts of it also seemed to directly contradict other parts.  But then sometimes complicated ideas can be like that, a bit irreducible.

Or that Reddit thread discussion I had mentioned passed on a nice simple version in the introduction (here related to hui gan, since the term as used to describe an effect of tea is expressed as both characters combined):

Some people say it's a sweet lingering aftertaste rising in the back of your mouth after swallowing.  Some people say it's a cooling sensation (something like what menthol gives) you feel in your throat and back of your mouth after swallowing.

One could just go with one of those definitions, or both.  I turned to one of the classic blogs for a final working definition, the Tea Addict's Journal, and didn't find one there, but I did find a summary of some general ideas that relates:

From observations and discussions with other tea drinkers, I think after a while, we all move, slowly, towards a deeper and more subtle appreciation of tea, and that means that we start moving away from just looking at what the tea taste like, and put more emphasis on what the tea feels like. Good (and usually expensive) teas invariably feel good in a way that inferior teas do not.  They don’t always taste all that different, however...

...The chief difference among them is the feeling you get from the tea.  What I mean by that is not that it makes you high or your head spin or what not (although I suppose it could do that).  Rather, it is the physical sensations that you have in reaction to, first, having the tea in your mouth, down your throat, and then the reaction that your body has towards it that distinguishes the better from the not so good.  A nice one is full, thick, smooth, hits all corners of the mouth, leaves a strong, lasting aftertaste, stimulates the tongue and throat, and gives you a feeling of qi.  Bad ones are just a beverage — you taste it, it goes down, it’s over.

I think the subjective perspective focus here, in terms of this relating to a specific form of individual experience, not in terms of it being not-objective or made up, could easily be overlooked or misplaced.  Regardless of the extent to which there is one specific, limited range of experience that relates to gan / kam, and there probably is, it only means something to someone once they learn to relate to that experience.

Getting the labeling right--partitioning off specialized terms to identify limited experience range--is only a part of that, and probably not the most important part, although using the same terms in the same ways would help with communication with other tea drinkers.

Wednesday, August 16, 2017

Assamica Agro Queen of Assam review (orthodox black tea)

I'm trying out another Assam version, after comparing two others from Assamica Agro in a recent post.  This version sounded good in the description,  with cocoa paired with malty aspects versus more towards fruit in the others.  I may as well cite that description, since I've brought it up:

Dry leaves offer strong fruity aroma that develops into full-bodied and well-rounded robust malty brew with chocolate and molasses layers. It will leave a bit of tangy feeling at the tip of your tongue that will soon change into a sweet aftertaste. Organically grown, handcrafted by small farmers and exclusively brought to you for pure enjoyment.

The tea looks good, long twisted leaves with some tips. The dry scent is nice; there is some cocoa, along with a but of sun dried tomato range savory tone.  I'm brewing the tea straight Western style this time, no messing around with Gongfu preparation (which I do like doing, the messing around with parameters part).  I've really taken a liking to an infuser that my parents bought me for Christmas (odd they'd get that right); a really basic device that is well designed, shown in a picture later in the post.

It is nice, based on tasting the brewed tea.  I really pick up that savory sun dried tomato aspect more than cocoa, of course along with malt, which is more subdued in this version.  It's definitely not overly astringent, on the softer side if anything.  I can see cocoa being an accurate description but it's not so pronounced that I would have certainly identified it.  It tastes a little like that softer version of malt too, like ovaltine, which of course tastes a little like cocoa.

Beyond that there is some additional complexity.  Some cedar range wood tones fill in some earthiness (on the vegetal and earthy borderline) and fruit range is back to along the lines of dried tamarind.  It's complex but not intense; depending on preference that could either be seen as a weakness in the tea or as just right.  Some Dian Hong can be like that (Yunnan black teas), really nice in character with plenty of depth but subtle.  I'm not really claiming this is like a Dian Hong but related to some aspect range and general character it's definitely along a similar line.

Prepared this way, using standard Western parameters,  it will give up another nice second infusion and a third might be a stretch, typically losing complexity and pulling towards woodiness or even cardboard while thinning.  Shifting the tea proportion up a little and shortening times allows for a better third infusion and might improve the first two slightly, but that choice also starts to depend on how long you want to spend and how much tea to drink.  A 3, 4, and 5 minute brewing cycle (just and example) takes 12 minutes in all, and would still work with a half hour breakfast, but using two 4 and 5 minute steeps lets you rush things.

The second steep picked up a little more caramel tone (they said the tea tasted like molasses in the description; I guess at some point citing caramel, toffee, or molasses gets to be an interpretation as much as a distinction).  I tend to use water around 90 instead of full boiling point for a lot of black teas but as soft as this is and being a bit subtle full boiling point would be fine (the producer recommends 90 to 95; sounds right).

Caramel sweetness picks up more at hot brewing temperatures, which reminded me of that point.  This infusion is still nice, with good intensity for going longer and bumping temperature a little.   The malt just starts to transition to that earlier pine aspect I'd mentioned in the last review, with the savory sun dried tomato dropping off.

Now that I think of it another infusion could transition to pine more, not woodiness, based on how those last teas went, which I liked better.  This infusion version and tea in general is still fine, clean, balanced, and complex, with aspects a good match for my personal preferences.

The next infusion did thin a little but moved in the same direction, more caramel (or toffee, or molasses).  The pine aspect isn't pronounced but a faint version of it serves as a context or flavor structure.  This tea might be ok for a fourth steep or I guess could work for an extra cold brewing infusion (sitting it in the fridge with room temperature water to brew for a day), but I'll just let it go instead.  The flavors range is limited enough that even if drawing out brewed intensity worked it wouldn't be the same.  Western style brewing black tea generally works out like that; three good infusions using relatively long brewing times is plenty (compared to Gongfu style preparation).

It's not really ideal to only try a tea one time for a review, and if I did try it once or twice more I'd probably shift this impression a little, maybe adding an aspect, or clarifying how it might change if prepared slightly differently.  I think this does already capture the basic nature of the tea though, give or take a detail or two.


I liked this tea the best of the three I tried; it's nice.  I'd probably have more to say related to placing it in a range if I'd tried other versions of Assam on this level, but I haven't.  I've tried reasonable versions of Assams that weren't necessarily CTC tea but they were chopped up a bit, maybe as much due to machine harvesting steps used as processing style.

Looking back through this blog to compare it to other teas there isn't an Assam review here, besides blending some in making masala chai.  I went back to tasting notes covering a nice version of one from Lattakoojan Estate in 2013, just before this blog started, and it sounded good but not exactly similar, more citrus and aspects of raisin and spice instead of cocoa and dried tamarind (along with malt).  Obviously I can't really compare them from memory, and the leaf appearance of that tea wasn't well noted there.

These teas have been ok compared to orthodox versions from other regions.  The malt was a bit intense in the first two versions but milder here.  Astringency wasn't really a problem for any, related to being balanced well.  If anything this tea was a little on the soft side, which works well for me, but others' opinions could vary on that.  I didn't add much about feel here in this write-up but it didn't have a lot of dryness or structure too it, just enough fullness to work out.

I suppose these teas could have been a bit more refined, brighter, or intense to compare to the best examples of black teas from other regions but for the most part more than that the character and aspects are just in a different range.  Somehow drinking a tea like this makes perfect sense for breakfast; it paired very well with a granola cereal this morning.

Tuesday, August 15, 2017

Three water parks in Rayong, Thailand

People have different impressions of Thailand, and even some of the people planning visits seem to have no idea what it's like here.  More general comment references about developing countries / "the third world" combine everywhere that's not the US and Europe (or Canada and Australia) into one type of place, where people probably have it bad.  Some do, but the rest of the world varies a lot.

This post won't clear it all up about varying cultures and levels of development but it does cover part of what is here in Thailand: water parks.  To summarize, we visited three water parks in three weekend outings to Rayong, Thailand, about a three or four hour drive from Bangkok, depending on traffic.  There isn't much in this about tea.  I'll start with that part and explain why not, and anyone only interested in that subject can stop reading after the next section.

Cartoon Network Amazone park, one of two slide areas

The part about tea

tea bottle (black tea version in this)

On the first weekend outing I brought a compressed white tea formed into a candy bar shape to brew grandpa style in a tea bottle. That really did work well; the tea is forgiving about brewing time, so after a little infusion time (at a slightly high proportion) it was nice but subtle,  and after a long steep instead rich and flavorful.  It was a bit towards a mild coffee flavor as teas go, but still not astringent.

It worked well to control infusion time, to use longish 5 minute steeps and drain it out into a hotel glass, or to wait and drink it after a little cooling, still mixed with the leaves, truly prepared in that style.  There's more on which types work well made that way in this post.  As always it's really just my take, since it came up in a recent discussion pu'er drinkers will prepare sheng that way, which I don't like (I checked).

The next two weekends I decided to not bring tea, to take a break from it.  I've been writing posts about caffeine and fluoride as potential risks but it wasn't really about that.  The main risk related to those seems to be pushing it for high daily intake, drinking two liters of tea every day, or going through three or more infusion cycles.  All the same it seems a reasonable idea to "go off it" once in awhile, and travel served as a good time for that.

It was partly about renewing my love for tea by taking a few days away.  As a wise friend once said:  a true stoner takes a day off weed once in awhile.  I guess that recent post about people quitting tea blogging (only one of whom also let a tea habit drop) got me thinking about preference related to overdoing it, and a post in The Tea Addict's Journal referring to periodic stepping down in consumption to limit caffeine intake was also an inspiration.

that white tea bar; good for travel, quite compact

messing around with an "unchee" hair style

Other people post in tea discussion groups about bringing their Gongfu set-up on trips and enjoying natural settings with tea, or I guess preparing it in their hotel rooms, but with young kids the running themes are running late and moving lots of stuff around.  It's not like having a baby, when that gets ridiculous, the proportion of stuff to that small human, but time still gets crunched.  Things like taking a shower take a lot longer when they also relate to helping two other people take a shower.  I don't mind the hands-on father role approach, splitting up all the related tasks, which I enjoy, but it takes time.

The first day off tea I went cold turkey and suffered the typical headache.  I ended up drinking soda to self-medicate in a water park at mid-day, which only helps so much.  The next day I drank a small coffee to start the day and that worked better.  Even with drinking a little coffee this third weekend, a cup in the morning, I still ended up feeling hazy, and did afternoon naps.  It's as if the withdrawal doesn't just relate to caffeine, or maybe it's that dropping the caffeine intake level to very little only goes so far towards offsetting the symptoms.

It remains to be seen if I've really cleared my system somehow, or if it does help me reconnect more with tea.  I never stopped liking it, but some of the habit did become a bit mundane, partly about maintenance.  The aged shou mei I had with breakfast that first morning back I did seem to appreciate a little more for the time away.

local Thai market (not close to any themes here, but from one trip)

Three water parks

I'll say a little more about different types of culture and levels of society at the end in conclusions but this post isn't about all that.  The experiences at the parks tells that story more than I actually explain it.

The first trip was planned to see the Cartoon Network Amazone theme water park outside Pattaya, visiting Rayong instead for a change, a local town further South East of there.  We've been to Pattaya a dozen times or so and it's really a nightlife theme resort area, of sorts, so we decided to go somewhere else for a change, after visiting Korat in another direction for a few weekend outings last year.  On that first visit my daughter became sick so we visited the local park with my son instead.

Pattaya's main walking street area (credit)

Rayong Adventure Park (FB page link)

This place was different.  The slides and such here were all the "bouncy castle" type of equipment, a sort of rubber coated canvas, a bit lower end than the higher cost and quality infrastructure we were planning on experiencing in the Cartoon Network location.  I could imagine someone being turned off by that right away but I was open to seeing how it worked out, and it did go well.

at Rayong Adventure Park; big enough

A lot of the slides were smaller, the standard 15 foot high version one might see at a mall for an event or at a kids' birthday party.  The bigger versions were closer to 30 foot tall, getting up there.  In between those taller slides and a kid's play area based on a pool theme and a playground equipment area (a water theme version) there were maybe ten smaller slides, and beside that an obstacle course area.  It didn't have an amusement park or larger scale water park feel but there was plenty to do.

The main drawback related to the equipment type wasn't necessarily size, about the sliding experience, or safety, but related to that material scuffing your skin a little if you rubbed on it the wrong way.  All three of us came out of it with one or more mild abrasions (my daughter did join later in the day, and we went again during the next weekend when we finally did make it to Cartoon Network).  Of course entrance cost a lot less than the amusement-park scale versions, as I recall on the order of 250 baht for admission ($8 or so).  Food options were very limited; kind of a given.

Cartoon Network Amazone water park (between Pattaya and Rayong)

After years of planning to go to this and one last delay due to that illness we finally made it.  My first impression was that the place was really small; there were a lot of slides there, but packed into two dense structures over a small park space.  My plan was for my wife to help watch one of the kids while I went with the other so both could do different levels of slides, but that never did really work out.  She drifted into messing with food and gear most of the day so my son kind of went on his own (he's 8, fine for that, but having a partner makes him bolder to try bigger slide versions).  There wasn't much for young children; my daughter went on three or four different slides all day, I think, and only one a lot of times.

wave simulator and water volleyball pool

They also had a cool wave pool, with higher wave peaks in certain places than you would expect.  And there was a surfing area; Keoni did that a couple of times.  He was probably more familiar with it for taking surf lessons in Bali a couple months ago, but never did seem to work out the simulated version.  All in all the experience was nice.  It probably didn't live up to years of build-up but some of that related to logistics issues on our end, getting adult supervision squared away.  In a nod towards how theme parks go they had cartoon characters come out and do dance presentations periodically; that was nice.

the Power Puff girls were freaking out Kalani a little

Food options were broader, in between inexpensive local food options and the gouging that goes on in places like Disneyland, with lower cost local food versions helping them strike a nice balance.

The guests / visitors there were mixed, Thai and foreigners.  Standard entrance cost something like 1200 baht, I think it was, maybe around $40, so not bad as Disneyland pricing goes but high for local attractions of the type.  It seemed fair; the equipment was modern and extensive, and staffing and support was adequate.  At one point when looking for a shaded place to grab a nap (related to the caffeine withdrawal) it seemed that seating was limited, but I did find more options off to the far side of the larger slide area.

Ramayana water park (site link)

Both the Cartoon Network park and this place are recent offerings, with Cartoon Network a few years old and Ramayana only a year old now.  We've visited two water parks in Bangkok (my kids love water parks; the Pororo park is their favorite there), and versions in zoos in Korat and Kohn Kaen, and there's another modern, more extensive alternative in Hua Hin, so water parks do seem to be popular in Thailand.  They should be; it's hot.

one of three slide areas

Being the last place we visited I couldn't help but judge this park according to the others, and it stood up well to that.  It seemed like where Cartoon Network had designed a park around including a lot of extensive water slide infrastructure--the main component--Ramayana designed the park space and then decided what slide equipment would go with that.  The park itself was at least double the size of the Cartoon Network park space, but with the exception of children's area and slides the equipment may have been comparable.

Ramayana included a separate younger kid's area, with a space that even toddlers could walk around in and experience, and a slide area designed for kids under 10.  My daughter is 3 so it made a big difference for her.  Since my son is 8 he could do intermediate level slides, or almost all the biggest versions, but it helped him to play a bit there first and ramp up to the larger versions.

In terms of cost the places are about the same, in the 1200 baht / $40 dollar range for admission, not so bad.  Both places run specials, so there would be options to drop that, like visiting on the Thai Mother's day, as we just did.  I suppose that could still add up for frequent visitors, or price out some locals, but for someone visiting on a vacation it seemed quite reasonable.  That is one odd part though; families typically wouldn't visit Pattaya (some do, but it's generally not for that), and the beach areas where people would stay in Rayong are an hour's drive away, as we also were in the town center.  It takes 45 minutes to visit a different part of Bangkok due to traffic so that just seems normal for us.

kids' slide area (closed; they shut down a bit early)

They had a bit more going on for food offerings but the place still seemed to be growing into maturity for selling random stuff, which was probably as well.  Due to the large size and different areas there seemed to be a lot more seating (maybe also partly due to there being more seats).  Both places, here and Cartoon Network, rented small tent-like areas as an add-on, more comfortable enclosure seating.  It makes sense; if spending a bit over $100 (US) for family entrance seems trivial to a guest they should offer a value-add upsell, but using a pool-style recliner chair under an umbrella would probably be fine.  They worked for naps, at least.

Both places had wave pools (this one's wasn't quite as intense; kind of a shame), and "lazy rivers," and I think Ramayana had more space for just playing in a pool, if doing that would somehow make sense.  I guess adding more options works well for one happening to click with some child, like Cartoon Network having a water volleyball section, or Ramayana a sand-theme play area.

We worked out the division of parent supervision better this time, which related to me going down almost every large slide in this park.  I guess I liked that part.  I really loved the time with my son; it's nice doing things with them one at a time sometimes.  I think I was taking the caffeine withdrawal better the second time so I didn't mind climbing 100 floors worth of stairs so much, and a few of those slides really were exciting, helping me stay energized.

It's hard to say which park is better, and I think that would be different for different people.  For having a three year old I'd go with Ramayana, due to them having more equipment for younger children, but in another year with her getting more bold about slides that might balance out.  The larger park space there felt nicer to me too but there was a drawback to that, a good bit of added walking around.

what they do to get by between water park visits


This ended up a lot like a really long Trip Advisor review, didn't it?  Sort of tied to that, my wife also mentioned that safety seemed more closely controlled at Ramayana, that there were more monitoring staff, and I guess that was right.  I think safety matters more related to comparison with that local place, Rayong Adventure Park, where if you didn't monitor your own kids there conceivably could be some risk exposure (there were less people keeping an eye on things there).  I played with mine when they were in the larger slide area and obstacle course zones but I get it why people might tend to just let their kids go; chasing them step for step doesn't work well.

I'm reminded of my own childhood, of visiting an amusement park in the summers just across the Ohio border, the Conneaut Lake Park (which I guess is still there).  For some reason we were never into the water park area as kids, completely focused on roller coasters and such.  My parents wouldn't have turned me loose as a three year old but I do remember venturing out in that large park without adult supervision at a relatively young age; it was a different world then.  There was nothing at any of these water parks that seemed overly dangerous but part of the monitoring function is to protect kids from themselves, to help stop them from doing anything too stupid, which can come up.

there is a beach at Rayong, the Gulf of Thailand, just not great beaches

I had different vague ideas about what to conclude from this related to culture, or level of economic development.  I guess it already implies that the "third world" might not be so different than the US, or the rest.  People live different types of lives here, but then that's true of every country.  The average Thai family can visit these places, the expense would just be more of a burden to some, so that people in the bottom half of the income range might be less likely to.  Around 8000 baht per month serves as a minimum wage for Thailand (15,000 for those with college degrees), and a single entrance costs 1200 baht; it doesn't work out.

I'm not trying to claim that Thailand has everything the US has, or judge one place against another.  There are countless small differences.  Some aspects compare favorably, others don't, and some are just about regional differences, not about development level.

An example:  we stopped and picked up a good bit of tropical fruit on the way home, from a roadside vendor, at a guess 3 kilos of mangosteen, 5 of pineapple, 1 of longon, and 2 of rambutan, along with 6 kilos of Thai pumpkin.  Of course those things cost a lot less here (around 500 baht / $15 for all that), but beyond that value issue you couldn't find that range and quality of tropical fruit in most places in the US, regardless of what you wanted to pay for it.  It would be crazy to live somewhere just for the fruit, but it's only meant as an example.  It's not difficult or expensive to eat better than Americans tend to here, although it's not necessarily a given that someone would.

It's tropical here too; trading seasons and a winter for hot weather year round is different.  That comes in handy if you are really obsessive about water parks, more relevant for my kids than for most.

Eight fresh pineapples for $3; a pretty good deal.  Those are Thai pumpkins, a different type.

As a parent play areas come up but issues related to schools and medical care are more important.  Those seem to work out, but it's all too complicated to get into in a post about water parks.

To switch back to just a little Trip Advisor mode in closing, we visited two play areas in the Passione mall in Rayong this weekend too, with both well worth checking out.  Sometimes it seems like it's those two kids' world, and I'm just living in it, but I do love experiencing the joy they take in lots of things.

sushi bar at the Kidzoona play area (so it's pretend green tea, not my favorite)